Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-06-28 Thread William Case
Hi Patrick and Craig; Thanks a million, I would and thousands of others would never have guessed NetworkManager was BOINC's problem in a thousand years. On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 12:51 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 14:30 -0400, William Case wrote: > > I believe that what Pat

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-06-28 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 22:52 -0400, William Case wrote: > Hi Patrick and Craig; > > Thanks a million, I would and thousands of others would never have > guessed NetworkManager was BOINC's problem in a thousand years. > > On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 12:51 -0700, Craig White wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-06-28

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-06-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 22:52 -0400, William Case wrote: > Thanks a million, I would and thousands of others would never have > guessed NetworkManager was BOINC's problem in a thousand years. Lucky guesses sometimes work out :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscrib

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-06-28 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 22:52 -0400, William Case wrote: > I then added '/sbin/service boinc-client restart' > to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and re-booted once again. --BINGO Seeing as the problem's with Network Manager, I'd move the restart script away from the rc.local file to the scripts that Network

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:52:49 -0400 William Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some poor unlucky shmuck could get caught from 2 days to a week trying > to figure out what was wrong. But there is nothing wrong! Don't you know that NetworkManager is a vast improvement? Don't you know that any other p

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-06-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Tom Horsley wrote: I don't think any problems in NetworkManager will ever be considered bugs until RedHat foists it on their paying RHEL customers There is a little problem with that theory. Both Red Hat and upstream bugzilla shows a considerable amount of bugs being filed and fixed on a reg

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-06-30 Thread Andrew Kelly
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 16:51 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Tom Horsley wrote: > > > > I don't think any problems in NetworkManager will ever be considered > > bugs until RedHat foists it on their paying RHEL customers > > There is a little problem with that theory. Both Red Hat and upstream > b

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Timothy Murphy
Andrew Kelly wrote: >> There is also a large amount of work that needs to >> be done on fixing software that doesn't react well to network >> connections disappearing underneath them as happens often with wireless >> networks on laptops and mobile systems. >> >> Rahul > As much as I am "not a fa

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Timothy Murphy wrote: But this was a specific, concrete query. Why does NM wait until the user has logged in to start? That's a wrong assumption. NM doesn't wait until the user has started. It is a system service which starts at boot. nm-applet(GNOME) or Knetworkmanager (KDE) is just a front

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> But this was a specific, concrete query. >> Why does NM wait until the user has logged in to start? > > That's a wrong assumption. NM doesn't wait until the user has started. > It is a system service which starts at boot. nm-applet(GNOME) or > Knetworkmanager (KDE) is jus

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Timothy Murphy wrote: Sorry, Rahul, you have lost me here. When I say that NM waits until the user logs in I mean that NetworkManager does not connect me to my AP until I login. Again, you are confusing between NM and nm-applet. Therefore any application that requires me to be connected has t

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:30 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >> But this was a specific, concrete query. > >> Why does NM wait until the user has logged in to start? > > > > That's a wrong assumption. NM doesn't wait until the user has started. > > It is a system service

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 11:09 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > Think about how accessing wireless systems works. If you have to > authenticate, then you have to be logged in to do it (or you have to > preconfigure it). If you are a mobile user, you may have to do it > several times--NM makes the p

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 11:09 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > > Think about how accessing wireless systems works. If you have to > > authenticate, then you have to be logged in to do it (or you have to > > preconfigure it). If you

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Tim
Timothy Murphy: >> Perhaps if there was some minimal documentation for NM this might be clear. Rahul Sundaram: > Perhaps if you will volunteer to contribute, it would have been done by > now. If you want to wait for someone else to do the work, it is going to > be done when others find time and

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Tim wrote: Timothy Murphy: Perhaps if there was some minimal documentation for NM this might be clear. Rahul Sundaram: Perhaps if you will volunteer to contribute, it would have been done by now. If you want to wait for someone else to do the work, it is going to be done when others find ti

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-03 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Sorry, Rahul, you have lost me here. >> When I say that NM waits until the user logs in >> I mean that NetworkManager does not connect me to my AP >> until I login. > > Again, you are confusing between NM and nm-applet. I don't think so. I am using the term NetworkManage

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:40 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Occasionally I try to access the internet from a WiFi "hotspot" > but my experience in Ireland is that this is rarely as simple as it > sounds. > (Last time I tried in a pub here it turned out that they wanted me to > pay > the equivalent o

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-03 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:40 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >> Sorry, Rahul, you have lost me here. > >> When I say that NM waits until the user logs in > >> I mean that NetworkManager does not connect me to my AP > >> until I login. > > > > Again, you are confusing betw

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Matthew Saltzman wrote: >> But it seems to me that it should be easy enough to cater for all users, >> by having a setting in some /etc/NM.conf which will allow NM to start >> with a specific connection before anyone logs in >> _if that is what one wants_, >> or if not requires the user to authent

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> Occasionally I try to access the internet from a WiFi "hotspot" >> but my experience in Ireland is that this is rarely as simple as it >> sounds. >> (Last time I tried in a pub here it turned out that they wanted me to >> pay >> the equivalent of several pints of beer

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-04 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 14:58 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > >> But it seems to me that it should be easy enough to cater for all users, > >> by having a setting in some /etc/NM.conf which will allow NM to start > >> with a specific connection before anyone logs in > >>

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Matthew Saltzman wrote: >> >> But it seems to me that it should be easy enough to cater for all >> >> users, by having a setting in some /etc/NM.conf which will allow NM to >> >> start with a specific connection before anyone logs in >> >> _if that is what one wants_, >> >> or if not requires the

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-04 Thread Mike Chambers
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 12:33 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Since this subject is bout Boinc and solved, shouldn't another thread be started, at least about what your currently talking about so can be followed from archives a little easier? Otherwise, who would know to search for boinc when discus

Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO

2008-07-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 15:03 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > >> Occasionally I try to access the internet from a WiFi "hotspot" > >> but my experience in Ireland is that this is rarely as simple as it > >> sounds. > >> (Last time I tried in a pub here it turned out tha