Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Schwendt wrote: > Uh, please, ... calling something "mindless" is nothing else than an > attempt at wiping off the criticism. I'm not talking about making it > impossible to skip updates-testing. That isn't what I meant. I was actually saying that mindless enforcement is bad, but intellige

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:39:26 +0100, Kevin wrote: > > Guidelines aren't worth a penny, if there is nobody to enforce them. > > The problem is that mindless enforcement isn't always a good idea. Uh, please, ... calling something "mindless" is nothing else than an attempt at wiping off the criticis

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Schwendt wrote: > Guidelines aren't worth a penny, if there is nobody to enforce them. The problem is that mindless enforcement isn't always a good idea. For example, once the breakage happened, pushing the fixed version directly to stable was the *right* thing to do. (It was a serious reg

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:13:04 +, psmith wrote: > isn't there policies in place to stop crap like this from happening? > like a minimum amount of time in "testing" or minimum amount of good karma? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_update_guidelines Guidelines aren't worth a penny, if the

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-09 Thread psmith
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:50:20 +, Alan wrote: Keyboard stuff has a bug in bugzilla if you search and a workaround, so its known but not yet fixed. Very annoying bug, shouldn't have gotten past the developer (but shouldn't have gotten past testing either which isn't t

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 23:50:20 +, Alan wrote: > Keyboard stuff has a bug in bugzilla if you search and a workaround, so > its known but not yet fixed. Very annoying bug, shouldn't have gotten > past the developer (but shouldn't have gotten past testing either which > isn't the developers fault ..

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Clodoaldo Pinto Neto
2009/3/8 Patrick O'Callaghan : > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:40 -0300, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto wrote: >> Last 3 or 4 updates were a disaster. First desktop effects stopped >> working and still don't work. Then the keyboard was misconfigured. I >> reconfigured, restarted and it kind of worked but sometime

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Alan Cox
> PS I hope you realize that you've said absolutely nothing about your > system that would enable anyone to help you, such as the Fedora version, > some hardware details (video card, whether the keyboard is USB, etc.). > And what does "tried some things" mean? Keyboard stuff has a bug in bugzilla

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 00:29 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Yes, you've won $500,000.00 for discovering it. Just send us your bank > > account details and a $1,000 for administrative fees and the money is > > yours. > > LOL, but I hope you *do* realize that such a scam

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Yes, you've won $500,000.00 for discovering it. Just send us your bank > account details and a $1,000 for administrative fees and the money is > yours. LOL, but I hope you *do* realize that such a scam is a crime and that I'm not sure law enforcement will have much sym

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:40 -0300, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto wrote: > Last 3 or 4 updates were a disaster. First desktop effects stopped > working and still don't work. Then the keyboard was misconfigured. I > reconfigured, restarted and it kind of worked but sometimes it forgets > it is correctly confi

Re: F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread rodolfoap
On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 19:40 -0300, Clodoaldo Pinto Neto wrote: > Is there a deliberate plan to break it all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question :) -- Rodolfo Alcazar - rodolfo.alca...@padep.org.bo otbits.blogspot.com / counter.li.org: #367962

F10 updates breaking things

2009-03-08 Thread Clodoaldo Pinto Neto
Last 3 or 4 updates were a disaster. First desktop effects stopped working and still don't work. Then the keyboard was misconfigured. I reconfigured, restarted and it kind of worked but sometimes it forgets it is correctly configured. And in the last update sound is gone. Tried some things without