Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Bill Davidsen
Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: No, I don't understandably say it's too bleeding edge. I didn't say that at all. But, I don't mind testing packages. Fine. So packages in rawhide should be moved continuously into updates as each is found worthy of general use? But how? If by the time

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Alan Evans
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: As I understand it, Gentoo doesn't suffer this because each user is compiling their own package sets. Updating libfoo doesn't require recursively redownloading every package that requires it because the user already has the

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Mark Haney
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: No, I don't understandably say it's too bleeding edge. I didn't say that at all. But, I don't mind testing packages. Fine. So packages in rawhide should be moved continuously into updates as each is found worthy of general use? But

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!) From: Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/11/2009 10:04 AM I'd

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Mark Haney
Alan Evans wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: As I understand it, Gentoo doesn't suffer this because each user is compiling their own package sets. Updating libfoo doesn't require recursively redownloading every package that requires it because the

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: But what about appbar that also requires libfoo? Unless I'm misunderstanding how Gentoo works (which is possible), you don't need to redownload appbar because libfoo was updated. You only need to recompile appbar after updating libfoo. Not exactly. If

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Normally, you only need to recompile if there is a major version in the library. If it is a minor version change, it is supposed to be backward compatible. This maybe expected for libraries which advertises a

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: This maybe expected for libraries which advertises a stable API, but its not a hard and fast rule for all libraries..especially for libraries which do not advertise themselves as stable.

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Bill Davidsen
Mark Haney wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: No, I don't understandably say it's too bleeding edge. I didn't say that at all. But, I don't mind testing packages. Fine. So packages in rawhide should be moved continuously into updates as each is found worthy of

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Mark Haney
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Alan Evans wrote: No, I don't understandably say it's too bleeding edge. I didn't say that at all. But, I don't mind testing packages. Fine. So packages in rawhide should be moved continuously into updates as

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-11 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: It sounds like your example is the exception to the rule. I'm pretty sure we went through the same sort of thing early on in the d-bus process in previous Fedora releases before D-bus announced API stability.

Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!! From: Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/10/2009 03:21 PM Now, I'm done with this thread. OK, great.

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-10 Thread Mark Haney
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!! From: Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/10/2009 03:21 PM Now, I'm done with

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Original Message Subject: Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!) From: Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/10/2009 04:10 PM

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-10 Thread Mark Haney
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message You didn't get what I said. I realize that Gentoo provides all the same latest and greatest stuff Fedora does, however, they mask most of the bleeding-edge stuff that Fedora has already. No, I understood. But what is masked

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-10 Thread Bill Davidsen
Mark Haney wrote: Michael Cronenworth wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!! From: Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: 02/10/2009 03:21 PM Now,

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-10 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Original Message Subject: Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!! From: Mark Haney mha...@ercbroadband.org To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com

Re: Feature Proposal: Rolling Updates (was Re: WHY I WANT TO STOP USING FEDORA!!!)

2009-02-10 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Arthur Pemberton wrote: That won't work and will purely be annoying. If you want rolling releases, setup a SIG to do so. These guys have work to do. They don't seem to have free time that can be shifted to whatever you want, just because you want it. That's the whole point of having a community