Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-15 Thread Alan Cox
There are two very distinct types of Linux Admins: Those who prefer BSD, and those who prefer SYSV5. I smell manure Those who prefer BSD enjoy working on Debian or Debian based distros (Like Ubuntu) and provide base level tools and administration likely to please the BSD centric crowd.

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Hiisi
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:59:50 +0100 From: Sharpe, Sam J sam.sharpe+lists.red...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch To: Community assistance, encouragement,       and advice for using        Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread suvayu ali
2009/9/11 Hiisi very-c...@rambler.ru: I wouldn't be so sure. They're about half of year back. And they use deb-packages - there's no yum. Recently I installed Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) on my girlfriend' laptop. I never entered root pass during installation process. Instead I created user for her

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Tom Horsley
... And they use deb-packages - there's no yum. They guys who have to actually package up our software at work consider that an advantage. From the practical complications involved in packaging, they say deb packages are infinitely easier to understand and generate than rpms. Fedora on the

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Todd Zullinger
Tom Horsley wrote: ... And they use deb-packages - there's no yum. They guys who have to actually package up our software at work consider that an advantage. From the practical complications involved in packaging, they say deb packages are infinitely easier to understand and generate than

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Saturday 12 September 2009 09:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: Then there is the synaptic tool, which makes all fedora gui update tools look like something scraped off the bottom of a bridge :-(. Since doing updates is a common operation visible to all users across all distros, I've always suspected

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/12/2009 10:46 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Saturday 12 September 2009 09:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: Then there is the synaptic tool, which makes all fedora gui update tools look like something scraped off the bottom of a bridge :-(. Since doing updates is a common operation visible to all

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread rgheck
On 09/12/2009 03:54 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 09/12/2009 10:46 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Saturday 12 September 2009 09:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: Then there is the synaptic tool, which makes all fedora gui update tools look like something scraped off the bottom of a bridge :-(.

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread suvayu ali
2009/9/12 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org: On 09/12/2009 10:46 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Saturday 12 September 2009 09:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: Then there is the synaptic tool, which makes all fedora gui update tools look like something scraped off the bottom of a bridge :-(. Since

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Phil Meyer
gil...@altern.org wrote: Of course Distrowatch's stats don't mean much: it's only how many click a distro received. But I doubt that Fedora users, contrary to Ubuntu's users maybe, go to Distrowatch only to give the counter a ride. Here are the figures: 1 Ubuntu 2003 2

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/13/2009 01:50 AM, rgheck wrote: That's true, but of course it doesn't do upgrades as cleanly as on Debian-based systems. Not sure what you mean by that. However remember the tool is just one small portion of what makes upgrades work. The release intervals, packaging, custom packages

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/13/2009 03:17 AM, suvayu ali wrote: Does it use rpm as the back end? I thought synaptic is an exclusively dpkg/apt-get front end. It uses apt-rpm in Fedora. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/13/2009 05:27 AM, Phil Meyer wrote: Those who prefer BSD enjoy working on Debian or Debian based distros (Like Ubuntu) and provide base level tools and administration likely to please the BSD centric crowd. The problem is that BSD and SYSV5 both had very rudimentary packaging tools,

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread suvayu ali
2009/9/12 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org: On 09/13/2009 03:17 AM, suvayu ali wrote: Does it use rpm as the back end? I thought synaptic is an exclusively dpkg/apt-get front end. It uses apt-rpm in Fedora. Forgive my ignorance here Rahul, but does that mean apt-rpm does what yum

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 09/13/2009 10:39 AM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/9/12 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org: On 09/13/2009 03:17 AM, suvayu ali wrote: Does it use rpm as the back end? I thought synaptic is an exclusively dpkg/apt-get front end. It uses apt-rpm in Fedora. Forgive my ignorance here

Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-11 Thread gilpel
Of course Distrowatch's stats don't mean much: it's only how many click a distro received. But I doubt that Fedora users, contrary to Ubuntu's users maybe, go to Distrowatch only to give the counter a ride. Here are the figures: 1 Ubuntu 2003 2 Fedora 1605 3

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-11 Thread jack craig
maybe we (fedora community) are all just more expert than we think?! :-P On 09/11/2009 11:25 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Of course Distrowatch's stats don't mean much: it's only how many click a distro received. But I doubt that Fedora users, contrary to Ubuntu's users maybe, go to

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-11 Thread Kavon Farvardin
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 10:27 -0700, jack craig wrote: maybe we (fedora community) are all just more expert than we think?! :-P On 09/11/2009 11:25 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Of course Distrowatch's stats don't mean much: it's only how many click a distro received. But I doubt that Fedora

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-11 Thread NoSpaze
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 16:08 -0400, Kavon Farvardin wrote: Fedora is as easy as Ubuntu to use (and I've less issues than with Ubuntu), I don't see what the fuss is about I use Fedora (about 10 servers, home, laptops). I love Fedora. But not always work fine:

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-11 Thread Sharpe, Sam J
2009/9/11 Kavon Farvardin kavo...@gmail.com: Fedora is as easy as Ubuntu to use (and I've less issues than with Ubuntu), I don't see what the fuss is about Fedora colour scheme is predominantly blue. Ubuntu colour scheme is predominantly brown /end differences -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing

Re: Guess who's right behind Ubuntu at Distrowatch

2009-09-11 Thread gilpel
Kavon Farvardin wrote: Fedora is as easy as Ubuntu to use (and I've less issues than with Ubuntu), I don't see what the fuss is about A big plus for me certainly was that it installed on my relatively new desktop hardware and everything worked no question asked. -- fedora-list mailing list