Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-19 Thread Richard England
Mark Haney wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant that just connects on bootup. I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse. But, they have that feature already. It's the way network interfaces have started

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-19 Thread Michael J Gruber
William Case venit, vidit, dixit 18.03.2009 18:55: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 17:35 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:46 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 14:26 +0200, Antti J. Huhtala wrote: ke, 2009-03-18 kello 08:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler kirjoitti:

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-19 Thread Timothy Murphy
Aaron Konstam wrote: And the latest NM can be configured to connect on boot. 1. What do you mean by the latest NM? I get [...@mary ~]$ grep NetworkManager /var/log/rpmpkgs NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-3.fc10.i386.rpm

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-19 Thread Kevin Kempter
On Thursday 19 March 2009 00:11:19 Richard England wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant that just connects on bootup. I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse. But, they have that

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
William Case wrote: I agree completely. The problem seems to be in the NetworkManager Applet. First, there is no manual. Secondly, it seems to lack any ability to affect the function of NetworkManager -- at least at the simplest level. I can't use it to disconnect, if for some reason I

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Mike Chambers
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 00:24 -0400, William Case wrote: I agree completely. The problem seems to be in the NetworkManager Applet. First, there is no manual. Secondly, it seems to lack any ability to affect the function of NetworkManager -- at least at the simplest level. I can't use it to

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Kevin Kofler wrote: Edit Connections is for primarily editing per-user settings. I think there's also a plugin for systemwide settings which can be edited at the same place, but Fedora is using a plugin to use the existing system-config-network settings instead, so you have to fire up

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Antti J. Huhtala
ke, 2009-03-18 kello 08:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler kirjoitti: William Case wrote: I agree completely. The problem seems to be in the NetworkManager Applet. First, there is no manual. Secondly, it seems to lack any ability to affect the function of NetworkManager -- at least at the simplest

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Mark Haney
Timothy Murphy wrote: I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant that just connects on bootup. I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse. But, they have that feature already. It's the way network interfaces have started for a decade. Why

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:12:14 -0400 Mark Haney wrote: As for the arguments about wireless connectivity, how many people actually move between wireless connections? If you do it might be only between 2, home and work. I'm fairly certain from the empirical evidence that the NM developers do all

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:54 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: Am I alone in thinking the per user paradigm is crazy? How many people actually have WiFi laptops used by several people who want to connect in different ways? How many average users would have a wireless access point that lets them have

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Mark Haney
Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:12:14 -0400 Mark Haney wrote: As for the arguments about wireless connectivity, how many people actually move between wireless connections? If you do it might be only between 2, home and work. I'm fairly certain from the empirical evidence that

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread William Case
Hi; On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 14:26 +0200, Antti J. Huhtala wrote: ke, 2009-03-18 kello 08:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler kirjoitti: William Case wrote: I agree completely. The problem seems to be in the NetworkManager Applet. First, there is no manual. Secondly, it seems to lack any ability

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Bill Crawford
On Wednesday 18 March 2009 14:18:50 Tim wrote: PS: I'm quite sick of gmane news postings to this mailing list that INAPPROPRIATELY set a post-to header to THEIR news server. I have to manually remove the post-to header and manually add the proper to header. It's quite a cheek to act as a

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 00:48 +1030, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:54 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: Am I alone in thinking the per user paradigm is crazy? How many people actually have WiFi laptops used by several people who want to connect in different ways? How many average users

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Mark Haney wrote: I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant that just connects on bootup. I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse. But, they have that feature already. It's the way network interfaces have started for a decade. Why bother

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:46 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 14:26 +0200, Antti J. Huhtala wrote: ke, 2009-03-18 kello 08:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler kirjoitti: William Case wrote: I agree completely. The problem seems to be in the NetworkManager Applet. First,

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 03/18/2009 08:46:45 AM, William Case wrote: 1. A button that allows you to disconnect (turn it off) temporarily -- say to the next boot. 2. An Edit Connections that actually allows you to edit connections. 3. Tie editing to root, if necessary, with the

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread William Case
Hi Mike; On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 04:49 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 00:24 -0400, William Case wrote: Can't you just right click and uncheck the box that has Enabled Networking to turn it off and then recheck again when want back online? Not on my applet. Once it is

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread William Case
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 17:35 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:46 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 14:26 +0200, Antti J. Huhtala wrote: ke, 2009-03-18 kello 08:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler kirjoitti: William Case wrote: The lack of

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 09:12 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant that just connects on bootup. I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse. But, they have that feature already. It's

RE: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Joseph L. Casale
NM sucks, everyone knows it, so let's can it and move to something that doesn't. Not everyone. I like it. And the latest NM can be configured to connect on boot. Can you edit your connections? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
Mark Haney wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I had actually hoped that the profiles stuff might let me have multiple configurations which work at multiple locations. I have three locations needing credentials, and I'd like to have a Starbucks configuration which found whatever was available. Doesn't

RE: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 15:11 -0600, Joseph L. Casale wrote: NM sucks, everyone knows it, so let's can it and move to something that doesn't. Not everyone. I like it. And the latest NM can be configured to connect on boot. Can you edit your connections? Wireless ones with nm-applet.

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
Aaron Konstam wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 09:12 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: I wish some guru who understands NM would bring out a variant that just connects on bootup. I'm pretty sure the standard version would rapidly fall into disuse. But, they have that feature

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Frank Cox
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:44:30 -0500 Aaron Konstam wrote: NM sucks, everyone knows it, so let's can it and move to something that doesn't. Not everyone. I like it. I agree. I use NM on three laptops that regularly use two different wireless access points and one EVDO modem. NM is the

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tim wrote: PS: I'm quite sick of gmane news postings to this mailing list that INAPPROPRIATELY set a post-to header to THEIR news server. I have to manually remove the post-to header and manually add the proper to header. It's quite a cheek to act as a gateway to someone else's mailing list,

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 11:46 -0400, William Case wrote: BTW, I have a desktop with a recent F10 install, fully up to date. It has only a wired interface. That interface comes up at boot (before login) with no problem using NM, not using the network service. I have

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-17 Thread William Case
Hi; For any one else who might have been following this problem: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 21:36 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I now have Fedora 10 on two systems. On both, NetworkManager fails to connect at bootup + login. If I remember correctly, NM connected automatically on booting when

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-17 Thread Todd Zullinger
William Case wrote: It has been reported by someone else as a medium level bug. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470477 Or see the changelog of NetworkManager-0.7.0.99-3: * Mon Mar 09 2009 Dan Williams d...@redhat.com - 1:0.7.0.99-3 - Missing ONBOOT should actually mean

Re: NM fails to connect when booting ?? -[SOLVED]

2009-03-17 Thread William Case
Hi Todd; At the risk of beating a dead horse ... On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 23:25 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: William Case wrote: It has been reported by someone else as a medium level bug. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=470477 Or see the changelog of