Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 09:33 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? > function? Seconded! There's a way of doing something like that, to restart the daemon started per user, but I never remember the magic incantation. I always have to google

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Tuesday 02 June 2009, Bill Davidsen wrote: >jdow wrote: >> From: "Gene Heskett" >> Sent: Saturday, 2009/May/30 17:09 >> >>> On Saturday 30 May 2009, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2009/5/30 Gene Heskett : > Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? > function?

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

jdow wrote: From: "Gene Heskett" Sent: Saturday, 2009/May/30 17:09 On Saturday 30 May 2009, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2009/5/30 Gene Heskett : Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? function? Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The pulseaudio

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The whole hierarchical design is a bad fit for what it is trying to do. +1 Unfortunately, it's what makes the certificate cartels their huge amounts of $$$, so they'll keep lobbying browser developers into supporting their ¢a$h ¢ow. :-( We really need a system which prov

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 14:01:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > > ISTR if you can snoop you can hijack the TCP session setup by responding > first (aren't out-of-window packets ignored?). You don't have to cause > the "real" responses to be dropped, you just have to respond faster. That's still

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 13:26:17 -0500, > Chris Adams wrote: > > HTTPS with an unknown self-signed cert is barely any more secure than > > unencrypted HTTP, since a man-in-the-middle attack could just be > > replacing the cert and decrypting all communi

Re: self-signed certificates (was Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...)

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 13:08:08 -0700, "Wolfgang S. Rupprecht" wrote: > > As for the man-in-the-middle attack, I'd imagine the biggest usage case > is an eavesdropped-in-the-middle and not someone that was able to break > the data stream and insert themselves. Having an encrypted channel with

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 13:26:17 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > > Most likely it's just a self-signed SSL certificate. Very common, and > > Firefox stupidly throws a fit over it (which is dumb because it encourages > > sites to just use unencrypted HTTP inste

Re: self-signed certificates (was Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...)

Once upon a time, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht said: > It is a shame that there isn't a simple documented way to add other CA's > to Firefox's approved list or some system global way to add CA's for all > programs looking for pki certs. For Firefox, you just have to publish the cert in DER format (with

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

2009/5/31 jdow : > You'd think if Linux and Fedora were so hot and wonderful there would be a > system wide audio service that actually worked from consoles as well as > from X. I need both to work to make my setup function correctly. So I am > stuck, crippled. That does not seem to be a problem in

self-signed certificates (was Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...)

Chris Adams writes: > HTTPS with an unknown self-signed cert is barely any more secure than > unencrypted HTTP, since a man-in-the-middle attack could just be > replacing the cert and decrypting all communications. It is a shame that there isn't a simple documented way to add other CA's to Firef

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Sunday 31 May 2009, Chris Adams wrote: >Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: >> Most likely it's just a self-signed SSL certificate. Very common, and >> Firefox stupidly throws a fit over it (which is dumb because it encourages >> sites to just use unencrypted HTTP instead, which is even less s

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > Most likely it's just a self-signed SSL certificate. Very common, and > Firefox stupidly throws a fit over it (which is dumb because it encourages > sites to just use unencrypted HTTP instead, which is even less secure, yet > gets through with no warning). Ju

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've since rebooted, trying a different kernel build not related to this. > > On the reboot, it logged: > May 30 10:02:11 coyote pulseaudio[4417]: alsa-util.c: Cannot find fallback > mixer control "PCM" or mixer control is no combination of switch/volume. >

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On 05/31/2009 09:38 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Humm, what email msgs I have seen from Lennart, came from a redhat.com > address. Yes. He is currently employed by Red Hat but he was not when he started the project. Red Hat generally hires people who are already working in Free software projec

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Sunday 31 May 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >On 05/31/2009 08:50 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Its a self signed certificate, apparently it is more paranoid about that >> than it is about an expired certificate. But then since its a redhat >> certificate, should it not be a properly signed certifica

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On 05/31/2009 08:50 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Its a self signed certificate, apparently it is more paranoid about that than > it is about an expired certificate. But then since its a redhat certificate, > should it not be a properly signed certificate. Seems to me like it should > be. It

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Sunday 31 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> Also, I tried to join the pulse mailing list, but FF had a whole cow over >> the https certificate, and I have never seen such a strong warning from FF >> before so I didn't ok it. Could someone advise Lennert that his sites ssh >>

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

Gene Heskett wrote: > Also, I tried to join the pulse mailing list, but FF had a whole cow over > the https certificate, and I have never seen such a strong warning from FF > before so I didn't ok it. Could someone advise Lennert that his sites ssh > certificate is dead or compromised? Most likel

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 05/29/2009 11:47 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 23:25:46 +0530 > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> but >> I demand you write full documentation to go along with it or else ..? > > Lots of distros already have anal policies about what can or cannot > be included (like being licensed only

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

From: "Gene Heskett" Sent: Saturday, 2009/May/30 17:09 On Saturday 30 May 2009, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2009/5/30 Gene Heskett : Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? function? Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The pulseaudio server usuall

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Saturday 30 May 2009, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: >2009/5/30 Gene Heskett : >> Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? function? > >Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The >pulseaudio server usually runs in the user's desktop session. > Ok, so I add or

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:36 AM, suvayu ali wrote: 2009/5/30 Tim : On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards today su

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

2009/5/30 Gene Heskett : > Why can't all of this audio crap have a 'service audio restart'? function? Probably because there isn't a system-wide audio service. The pulseaudio server usually runs in the user's desktop session. -- Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com -- fedora-list mailing list fed

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Saturday 30 May 2009, Gene Heskett wrote: >On Friday 29 May 2009, Pat Kane wrote: >> >Gene Heskett wrote: >> > And the last time I looked, a bit over a month ago, there was no hint of >> >>Let me Google that for you: >> >>gets us to: >>

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

On Friday 29 May 2009, Pat Kane wrote: > >Gene Heskett wrote: > > And the last time I looked, a bit over a month ago, there was no hint of > >Let me Google that for you: > >gets us to: > >which pointed us to: >

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:36 AM, suvayu ali > wrote: > 2009/5/30 Tim : > > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > >> Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I > >> have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards > >> today support mu

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

2009/5/30 Tim : > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: >> Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I >> have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards >> today support multiple streams. However I am not sure whether >> pulseaudio can s

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 01:29 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > Most of the modern Intel HDA cards _are_ capable of mixing streams. I > have owned one such card since 2007. Also most of the hi-end boards > today support multiple streams. However I am not sure whether > pulseaudio can stream two different st

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > One should waterboard the developer till he/she agrees to write the > manpage. That can't work at a distro level because upstream does not necessarily care about Fedora, some upstreams even actively hate Fedora. We cannot force upstream projects to do anything, we ca

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Friday 29 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> Am I going to write man pages for other folks? Nope. Sorry. First and >> foremost I'm a strong believer in making the developer explain how to >> use their program. Doing so forces them to rethink the issues, makes >> t

RE: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

> From: Wolfgang S. Rupprecht > Am I going to write man pages for other folks? Nope. Sorry. > First and > foremost I'm a strong believer in making the developer explain how to > use their program. Doing so forces them to rethink the issues, makes > them wonder if something is done logicall

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 29 May 2009 23:25:46 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > but > I demand you write full documentation to go along with it or else ..? Lots of distros already have anal policies about what can or cannot be included (like being licensed only under the One True open source license). I'd love a lin

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 23:25 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/29/2009 11:13 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > > > > One should waterboard the developer till he/she agrees to write the > > manpage. > > This is unlikely to be effective as a strategy. Hey, it is somewhat ok > that you give me

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 29 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >Gene Heskett wrote: > >> And that IIRC, was one of the things in my kmenu that never ran, ever. > > > >Then PulseAudio is not working. (pavucontrol at least used to just > segfault > >if PA was no

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 05/29/2009 11:13 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > One should waterboard the developer till he/she agrees to write the > manpage. This is unlikely to be effective as a strategy. Hey, it is somewhat ok that you give me software for free with open source code voluntarily but I demand you wri

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Friday 29 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> And that IIRC, was one of the things in my kmenu that never ran, ever. > >Then PulseAudio is not working. (pavucontrol at least used to just segfault >if PA was not running or not accepting connections because it didn't find a >work

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Kevin Kofler writes: > Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> That is a good example of a contentless man page. I assume it was >> written by some 3rd party that didn't really understand what the program >> did, how it was meant to be used etc. > > It was written by the Debian maintainer to fulfill a p

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 5/29/2009 12:23 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:44 -0400 > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> And since kde4, we no longer have the >> name of the executable listed in the menu's, there seems to be no way to try >> such stuff from a cli to see what error falls out when it doesn't run

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Gene Heskett wrote: > From: Gene Heskett > Subject: Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... > To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." > > Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 8:05 AM > On Friday 29 May 200

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > That is a good example of a contentless man page. I assume it was > written by some 3rd party that didn't really understand what the program > did, how it was meant to be used etc. It was written by the Debian maintainer to fulfill a policy exactly like the one you

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 05/29/2009 10:58 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > The air up there must be pretty thin. How do you expect anyone to write docs > when they have no knowledge of it? That is probably how we got here in the > first place... Start with what you know, use a search engine, go through the upstream de

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 05/29/2009 10:23 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I'm afraid this comes across as smugness. While I'm willing to do some > polishing of documentation if asked, actually writing docs for something > like PA (or NM, another bugbear of many people here) when one has no > idea how it actually wo

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Am I going to write man pages for other folks? Nope. Sorry. First and > foremost I'm a strong believer in making the developer explain how to > use their program. Doing so forces them to rethink the issues, makes > them wonder if something is done logically enough

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Friday 29 May 2009, Craig White wrote: >On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 08:00 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> Gene Heskett writes: >> > Nah, couldn't be related. When you add that there are exactly zero >> > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, >> > ahh forget it, t

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Kevin Kofler writes: > Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> I think you are reading it much to literally. > > The policy you're proposing (and incidentally, also the Debian policy) is > that literal. Requiring good documentation makes sense (though it's hard to > define "good documentation"). Requirin

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Friday 29 May 2009, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, >> ahh forget > >Hey, careful with those acronyms there :-) > >poc Chuckle, sorry about that Patrick, not intended of cou

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Rahul Sundaram writes: > If you want to help, you don't really need policy. Do you want to help? In the last few years I haven't written much OSS, but you can be sure that when I do, I do dig out my troff notes and cobble together a man page for it. I do practice what I preach. Am I going to w

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 09:08 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 08:00 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > Gene Heskett writes: > > > Nah, couldn't be related. When you add that there are exactly zero > > > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, > > >

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 17:58 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > Point Of Contention > > Or Proof Of Concept, which would actually fit in that sentence. Though I > think it's also not what was meant here. ;-) Not to mention Point Of Contact, a term used in IETF documents. I imagine

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > I think you are reading it much to literally. The policy you're proposing (and incidentally, also the Debian policy) is that literal. Requiring good documentation makes sense (though it's hard to define "good documentation"). Requiring it to be in manpage format and

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 05/29/2009 10:06 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > Good documentation is lacking, people are complaining and we have people > saying that "I don't think we need such a policy in Fedora." Amazing. If you want to help, you don't really need policy. Do you want to help? Rahul -- fedora-li

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Kevin Kofler writes: > Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >> Back in my first unix job a zillion years ago the company I worked for >> had this rule that nothing got installed in a public */bin directory >> anywhere unless it also had a man page describing all the command line >> options installed into

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Friday 29 May 2009, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: >Gene Heskett writes: >> Nah, couldn't be related. When you add that there are exactly zero >> configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, >> ahh forget it, this is fedora and we are supposed to bleed for the >> cause, ri

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 29 May 2009 11:03:44 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > And since kde4, we no longer have the > name of the executable listed in the menu's, there seems to be no way to try > such stuff from a cli to see what error falls out when it doesn't run. One bit of arcana worth knowing for just this si

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 08:00 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Gene Heskett writes: > > Nah, couldn't be related. When you add that there are exactly zero > > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, > > ahh forget it, this is fedora and we are supposed to bleed for

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Back in my first unix job a zillion years ago the company I worked for > had this rule that nothing got installed in a public */bin directory > anywhere unless it also had a man page describing all the command line > options installed into the appropriate man director

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... (Gene Heskett)

>Gene Heskett wrote: > And the last time I looked, a bit over a month ago, there was no hint of Let me Google that for you: gets us to: which pointed us to: Pat --- --

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Craig White wrote: > Point Of Contention Or Proof Of Concept, which would actually fit in that sentence. Though I think it's also not what was meant here. ;-) Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-l

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Gene Heskett wrote: > And that IIRC, was one of the things in my kmenu that never ran, ever. Then PulseAudio is not working. (pavucontrol at least used to just segfault if PA was not running or not accepting connections because it didn't find a working hardware device.) > And since kde4, we no lo

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 08:00 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Gene Heskett writes: > > Nah, couldn't be related. When you add that there are exactly zero > > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, > > ahh forget it, this is fedora and we are supposed to bleed for

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Friday 29 May 2009, Craig White wrote: >On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 07:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, >> > ahh forget >> >> Hey, careful with those acronyms there :-

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Craig White writes: > similar to acronym POS - Point of Sale Point of Stumbling? -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Android 1.5 (Cupcake) and Fedora-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelin

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Friday 29 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> And the last time I looked, a bit over a month ago, there was no hint of >> what to do when it chooses its default output channel wrong, and >> effectively sends it all to /dev/null. > >You pick the correct default in pavucontrol. >

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Gene Heskett writes: > Nah, couldn't be related. When you add that there are exactly zero > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, > ahh forget it, this is fedora and we are supposed to bleed for the > cause, right? Motto: "What we lack in documentation we make up

RE: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Delaunay Christophe wrote: > through the ESpeak speech synthesizer If you have portaudio-19-6.fc10, espeak should just work with PulseAudio. As I did the fix for portaudio, I'm highly interested in any issues with it. > For instance, "Welcome to Orca" became "Welcome to Or". I cannot reproduce t

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 07:42 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, > > ahh forget > > Hey, careful with those acronyms there :-) Point Of Contention similar to acronym

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Gene Heskett wrote: > And the last time I looked, a bit over a month ago, there was no hint of > what to do when it chooses its default output channel wrong, and > effectively sends it all to /dev/null. You pick the correct default in pavucontrol. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing lis

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > configuration tools to aid us in making this undocumented POC work, > ahh forget Hey, careful with those acronyms there :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fe

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Andras Simon wrote: >On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Steve Underwood wrote: >>> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. >> >> Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio >> is evil. > >This is not true (and is an insult, I'd t

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: >On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:51 -0300 > >Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: >> but maybe >> some folk just did not realize that yet > >And just how would they realize how simple all that gibberish >actually is? It just comes to them in a flash of insight perhaps? >Or

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:01:24AM +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Yes, mine does. Clicking on a link here in kmail ALWAYS runs firefox with > > two > > tabs, both linked somehow so that if I scroll one of then and quit that > > tab, >

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:28 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Yes, mine does. Clicking on a link here in kmail ALWAYS runs firefox with > two > tabs, both linked somehow so that if I scroll one of then and quit that tab, > the remaining tab has also been scrolled to the same place. But they are not

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: >On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:08:37AM -0700, john wendel wrote: >> Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >Steve Underwood wrote: >> >>I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. >> > >> >Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAud

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >On 05/28/2009 06:32 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:51 -0300 >> >> Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: >>> but maybe >>> some folk just did not realize that yet >> >> And just how would they realize how simple all that gibberish >> actually is

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

> On Thursday 28 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>Steve Underwood wrote: >>> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. >> >>Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio >> is >>evil. >> >>> Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little >

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thursday 28 May 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: >Steve Underwood wrote: >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. > >Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is >evil. > >> Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little output >> to h

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Delaunay Christophe < christophe.delau...@thomson.net> wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > Many thanks for your interest to my problem. Sorry, I may not have > replied as soon as you'd expect. This is because, after reading your > response and others, I tried several things wh

RE: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

..@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Kofler Sent: jeudi 28 mai 2009 00:14 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ... Delaunay Christophe wrote: > What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please? Why do

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 05/28/2009 06:32 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:51 -0300 > Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: > >> but maybe >> some folk just did not realize that yet > > And just how would they realize how simple all that gibberish > actually is? It just comes to them in a flash of insight perhaps?

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thu, 28 May 2009 09:17:51 -0300 Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: > but maybe > some folk just did not realize that yet And just how would they realize how simple all that gibberish actually is? It just comes to them in a flash of insight perhaps? Or maybe the zero documentation has something to do with

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Steve Underwood wrote: > Sharpe, Sam J wrote: > >> Andras Simon wrote: >> >>> On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> > Steve Underwood wrote: >>> >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. >>> > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

Sharpe, Sam J wrote: Andras Simon wrote: On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Steve Underwood wrote: >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is > evil. This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think). [

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

2009/5/28 Andras Simon : > On 5/28/09, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: >> Andras Simon wrote: >>> On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> > Steve Underwood wrote: >>> >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. >>> > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that >>> PulseAudio is >

Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...

On 5/28/09, Sharpe, Sam J wrote: > Andras Simon wrote: >> On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > Steve Underwood wrote: >> >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. >> > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that >> PulseAudio is >> > evil. >> >> This is not true

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Andras Simon wrote: On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Steve Underwood wrote: >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is > evil. This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think). [...] > So PulseAudio

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On 5/28/09, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Steve Underwood wrote: >> I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. > > Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is > evil. This is not true (and is an insult, I'd think). [...] > So PulseAudio is a mixing solution w

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2009/5/28 Pasi Kärkkäinen : > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:08:37AM -0700, john wendel wrote: >> Kevin Kofler wrote: >> >It makes sound just work, without apps fighting for the sound device (or >> >multiple incompatible sound servers all trying to "fix" this fighting for >> >the sound device). No more

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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:08:37AM -0700, john wendel wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: > >Steve Underwood wrote: > >>I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. > > > >Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is > >evil. > > > >>Its a very troublesome program

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Kevin Kofler wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is evil. Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little output to help you resolve problems. If you g

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Steve Underwood wrote: > I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is evil. > Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little output > to help you resolve problems. If you get it working it se

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Steve Underwood wrote: > Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Delaunay Christophe wrote: >> >>> What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please? >>> >> >> Why do you want to do that in the first place? Chances are removing >> PulseAudio is not the correct solution for your problem. >> >

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On Wednesday 27 May 2009, Steve Underwood wrote: >Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Delaunay Christophe wrote: >>> What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please? >> >> Why do you want to do that in the first place? Chances are removing >> PulseAudio is not the correct solution for your proble

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Kevin Kofler wrote: Delaunay Christophe wrote: What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please? Why do you want to do that in the first place? Chances are removing PulseAudio is not the correct solution for your problem. I thought most people wanted to get rid of puls

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Delaunay Christophe wrote: > What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please? Why do you want to do that in the first place? Chances are removing PulseAudio is not the correct solution for your problem. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To un

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Delaunay Christophe wrote: Hi all, What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please? Many thanks in advance. Have a nice day. Chris yum erase pulseaudio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Gu

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On Wed, 27 May 2009 17:40:33 +0200 Delaunay Christophe wrote: > What the good way to get rid of pulseaudio on Fedora 10 please? yum erase pulseaudio works for me. It leaves a few libs around, but no one actually tries to use pulseaudio anymore after the erase. -- fedora-list mailing list fedor