Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread Alan Cox
> That's a remarkable upgrade feat, I managed Fedora 7 to 8 and then 10 to > 11, but all the way from Fedora 1, respect. Just curious did you upgrade The early ones were a bit fun but doable. ftp.linux.org.uk started with a late Red Hat (RH9 I think) and has done the same but live updated each tim

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 12/11/09 10:48, Simon Andrews wrote: > Michael Pawlowsky wrote: >> >> Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise >> environment? > > Production, certainly. We have 7 fedora servers all providing public > facing services over a range of different functionalities. All are >

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread John Aldrich
Quoting Michael Pawlowsky : Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9-FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does in

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread Simon Andrews
Michael Pawlowsky wrote: Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? Production, certainly. We have 7 fedora servers all providing public facing services over a range of different functionalities. All are running F11. The constant upgrades are driving me n

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Pawlowsky
On 2009-11-11, at 6:45 PM, Clint Dilks wrote: Fedora is just not a good choice in this situation, we tried running Fedora in this way for a time but it just becomes unmanageable. One short term suggestion I would make is that you maintain your own copies of the repositories that you use

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Pawlowsky
On 2009-11-11, at 6:33 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote: I really don't understand something, here. First, you blast Fedora for its high-speed upgrade treadmill. OK, fair enough--that gets on my nerves, too, at times. But then, near the end of your email, you complain that Red Hat/CentOS lacks the newest

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 12 November 2009 01:29:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 23:31 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > For example, you cannot go from ext3 filesystem to ext4 without > > reformatting the drive. > > Actually you can, so it's not a good example for the point you're making

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 23:31 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > For example, you cannot go from ext3 filesystem to ext4 without > reformatting the drive. Actually you can, so it's not a good example for the point you're making (and which I agree with BTW). poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-lis

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 17:35 -0500, Michael Pawlowsky wrote: > Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise > environment? Yes. > The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9- > FC10 and FC-11. I still have a FC4 server. It's a pain to keep updating

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Clint Dilks
Michael Pawlowsky wrote: Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9-FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does in

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 22:35:14 Michael Pawlowsky wrote: > The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9- > FC10 and FC-11. > > The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). > The next one is that it does include more recent versions of pack

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Ryan Lynch
Hi, Michael, On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 17:35, Michael Pawlowsky wrote: > Is FC simply a bad choice for enterprise production. > > I'm starting to want to try CentOS soon. Unfortunately this will mean not > always being able to take advantage of the latest features in software and > so on. > > So I

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Aldo Foot
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Alan Cox wrote > "Latest" and "Stable" are usually opposite ends of the same scale. > > Centos is boring - in all the good senses of the word. That's so true, but it gets the job done. :-) ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Alan Cox
> To make things more difficult, our servers need to be up 24/7. > > Is FC simply a bad choice for enterprise production. It depends on your environment but probably - yes > > I'm starting to want to try CentOS soon. Unfortunately this will mean > not always being able to take advantage of the

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 17:35:14 -0500, Michael Pawlowsky wrote: > > The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). > The next one is that it does include more recent versions of > packages that we use and are looking for the latest versions to take > advantage of some n

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/12/2009 04:05 AM, Michael Pawlowsky wrote: > Is FC simply a bad choice for enterprise production. > > I'm starting to want to try CentOS soon. Unfortunately this will mean > not always being able to take advantage of the latest features in > software and so on. > > So I was just wondering

Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Pawlowsky
Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9- FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does include more recent versio