Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Claude Jones wrote: Having followed this thread, and having set up the *.fdi file as you suggest later in this thread, and now, using ksynaptics, I have control over my touchpad. Could you discuss the specific possible dangers that now exist because I've enabled the insecure SHMConfig? What

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Kevin Kofler wrote: Using xorg.conf for input configuration is obsolete and should no longer be done. And for which release is this valid? ATM, my lappy has F8 on it. Those with input hotplug, i.e.

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-09 Thread Claude Jones
On Tuesday 09 December 2008 02:45:22 Kevin Kofler wrote: Well, ask those who disabled SHMConfig by default, they know the details, I don't. OK - maybe one of those will see this query and respond. Meanwhile, here's a snippet from an Asus computer company forum:

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-09 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:12 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: This point in this thread seems as appropriate as any to mention syndaemon. It's part of the synaptics

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-09 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 15:54 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: This point in this thread seems as appropriate as any to mention syndaemon.

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-09 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 13:35 +1030, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 11:32 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: This point in this thread seems as appropriate as any to mention syndaemon. It's part of the synaptics (now xorg-x11-drv-synaptics) package. When it runs, it disables the touchpad

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 20:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: I do my best to keep my thumbs away from that SOB, even using a finger to tap the space bar when I'm composing an email, only to have it do something off the wall cuz a finger or thumb got too close to it. Mine does that, too, and it's

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 December 2008, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 20:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: I do my best to keep my thumbs away from that SOB, even using a finger to tap the space bar when I'm composing an email, only to have it do something off the wall cuz a finger or thumb got too close to

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:15 +1030, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 20:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: I do my best to keep my thumbs away from that SOB, even using a finger to tap the space bar when I'm composing an email, only to have it do something off the wall cuz a finger or thumb got

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 20:15 +1030, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 20:46 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: I do my best to keep my thumbs away from that SOB, even using a finger to tap the space bar when I'm composing an email, only to have it

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: This point in this thread seems as appropriate as any to mention syndaemon. It's part of the synaptics (now xorg-x11-drv-synaptics) package. When it runs, it disables the touchpad

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Rick Stevens
Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: This point in this thread seems as appropriate as any to mention syndaemon. It's part of the synaptics (now xorg-x11-drv-synaptics) package. When it runs, it

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Matthew Saltzman wrote: This point in this thread seems as appropriate as any to mention syndaemon. It's part of the synaptics (now xorg-x11-drv-synaptics)

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 11:32 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: This point in this thread seems as appropriate as any to mention syndaemon. It's part of the synaptics (now xorg-x11-drv-synaptics) package. When it runs, it disables the touchpad while the user is actively typing on the keyboard and

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Tim
Tim: But this would completely disable it for all users, with no way for a particular user to enable it, and I didn't like that idea. Gene Heskett: And why not? Hey folks, its a laptop or it wouldn't have a ^*^% touchpad in the first place, and unless the user who left it there for the next

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: And then the point is moot anyway cuz there is not sufficient instructions, even in the man page, to properly set this 'SHMconfig' option in the xorg.conf. Yes, that was my original complaint, too. Though, by now, I'd forgotten which

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 13:49 +1030, Tim wrote: An example xorg.conf file, notice my ### comments: Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard InputDeviceSynaptics Touchpad ### above

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks for prodding me to actually look at it, but the question then remains, how do we setup this SHMconfig in our xorg.conf's? You don't, you set it up in a HAL FDI file. Create an /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-synaptics.fdi with the following contents: ?xml version=1.0

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 December 2008, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 13:13 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: And then the point is moot anyway cuz there is not sufficient instructions, even in the man page, to properly set this 'SHMconfig' option in the xorg.conf. Yes, that was my original complaint, too.

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 December 2008, Tim wrote: Tim: But this would completely disable it for all users, with no way for a particular user to enable it, and I didn't like that idea. Gene Heskett: And why not? Hey folks, its a laptop or it wouldn't have a ^*^% touchpad in the first place, and unless

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 08 December 2008, Kevin Kofler wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: Thanks for prodding me to actually look at it, but the question then remains, how do we setup this SHMconfig in our xorg.conf's? You don't, you set it up in a HAL FDI file. Create an /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-synaptics.fdi with

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 05:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Using xorg.conf for input configuration is obsolete and should no longer be done. I have to ask: Why? Things like the built in keyboard, trackpad, graphics card, etc., aren't likely to change very often on a computer that they need

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread dexter
2008/12/9 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 05:23 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Using xorg.conf for input configuration is obsolete and should no longer be done. I have to ask: Why? Things like the built in keyboard, trackpad, graphics card, etc., aren't likely to change very

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Claude Jones
On Sunday 07 December 2008 15:46:07 Kevin Kofler wrote: It uses gsynaptics instead of ksynaptics. But gsynaptics is not set up to autostart in KDE. And you have to use the insecure SHMConfig to use gsynaptics. Having followed this thread, and having set up the *.fdi file as you suggest

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 08 December 2008, Kevin Kofler wrote: Using xorg.conf for input configuration is obsolete and should no longer be done. And for which release is this valid? ATM, my lappy has F8 on it. Those with input hotplug, i.e. F9 and above. Kevin Kofler --

Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 14:54 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: Thanks ! That is a good work around. No problem. How would one disable the touchpad entirely. Looks like Kevin just sent an example (and used valid xml too :). When does this file get read ? Is there a

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Linuxguy123 wrote: It uses gsynaptics instead of ksynaptics. But gsynaptics is not set up to autostart in KDE. And you have to use the insecure SHMConfig to use gsynaptics. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 21:46 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: It uses gsynaptics instead of ksynaptics. But gsynaptics is not set up to autostart in KDE. I'll invoke it when I need it. At least I won't have to hand edit a file to change from shutting it off to turning it on !

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 21:46 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: It uses gsynaptics instead of ksynaptics. But gsynaptics is not set up to autostart in KDE. And you have to use the insecure SHMConfig to use gsynaptics. You obviously have NO understanding of how frustrating it is

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Linuxguy123 wrote: You obviously have NO understanding of how frustrating it is to use a laptop and have the cursor jump to the wrong position about 30x per day to make this statement. You have ZERO user empathy which is pretty darn scary considering you seem to be on the Fedora developer

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 07 December 2008, Kevin Kofler wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: You obviously have NO understanding of how frustrating it is to use a laptop and have the cursor jump to the wrong position about 30x per day to make this statement. You have ZERO user empathy which is pretty darn scary

Re: Workaround for Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Gene Heskett wrote: So do I Kevin, and a readily available method of shutting the touchpad off, preferably forever, should be part of all installs. Isn't there an option in the BIOS to turn it off? I have options to have it on all the time, auto off if another mouse is detected, and always