Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 23:29 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Patrick; As I said I am now satisfied that a conflict between some entity called 'network' or NM is the cause of my problems. So some of this discussion is a bit moot. On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 20:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-17 Thread Marko Vojinovic
Ok, can I give it a try to help clear things up? Not that I am an expert on the subject, but hopefully... :-) Somebody please correct me if I get something wrong here. When we speak of network, there are several layers at work here. First, there is hardware. Cables, network cards at their

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-17 Thread William Case
Thanks for your time and thoughtful explanation Marko; On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 20:49 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Ok, can I give it a try to help clear things up? Not that I am an expert on the subject, but hopefully... :-) Somebody please correct me if I get something wrong here. [BIG SNIP]

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-16 Thread William Case
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:57 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:10 -0400, William Case wrote: Thank you Matthew. That was why I was double checking. [snip] To ensure that the network service does not run at boot, run 'chkconfig network off' as root. If the network service

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 18:41 -0400, William Case wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:57 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:10 -0400, William Case wrote: Thank you Matthew. That was why I was double checking. [snip] To ensure that the network service does not run at boot,

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-16 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
William Case wrote: So why can't I get rid of 'network' entirely? I understand that 'network' is not an application to be removed, but something is sticking it in the list of services. With NetworkManager running, 'network' is not a service I need. So why confuse the issue? It is handy

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 18:41 -0400, William Case wrote: So why can't I get rid of 'network' entirely? I understand that 'network' is not an application to be removed, but something is sticking it in the list of services. With NetworkManager running, 'network' is not a service I need. So why

Re: network vs NetworkManger services ?? [SOLVED] kinda

2008-08-16 Thread William Case
Hi Patrick; As I said I am now satisfied that a conflict between some entity called 'network' or NM is the cause of my problems. So some of this discussion is a bit moot. On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 20:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 18:41 -0400, William Case wrote: So