Re: time stupidity

2008-08-26 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 12:28 +, g wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > > (Basically, UTC > > is London time with no DST adjustment, give or take a few ticks...). > > for me, here in cst, i have never had a problem of thinking - 6 hours f

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-26 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:37 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: >> I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT? > > And you found that works? Some time ago I looked at pages about putting > your hardware clock on GMT, and making Windows work with that like Linux > does. There was a lo

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-26 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Saltzman wrote: > (Basically, UTC > is London time with no DST adjustment, give or take a few ticks...). for me, here in cst, i have never had a problem of thinking - 6 hours for local time and - 5 for dst. once you do it for a while, it is

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-26 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Denniston wrote: > OK, you made me look :) well, getting blamed for something is a part of my life now. as for problems of gmt/utc and dst, i am trying to remember if we used dst with gmt when i was usaf. been to long. we did have 2 clocks in

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:37 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT? And you found that works? Some time ago I looked at pages about putting your hardware clock on GMT, and making Windows work with that like Linux does. There was a lot

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:37 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT? And you found that works? Some time ago I looked at pages about putting your hardware clock on GMT, and making Windows work with that like Linux does. There was a lot of information about

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 19:31 +, g wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Todd Denniston wrote: > > > If the machine is always running Unix/Linux, then UTC is usually better. If > > you are also running MSWIN then you either need to use LOCAL or find the > > tweak >

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bob Goodwin wrote: > > I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT? It doesn't matter > since it really gets booted. > > Bob > Nope - I still have a couple of things I need Windows for that will not work under Wine. (Mainly my eBook reader and Motorola Phone Tools.) Todd Denniston alrea

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread Todd Denniston
g wrote, On 08/25/2008 03:31 PM: Todd Denniston wrote: If the machine is always running Unix/Linux, then UTC is usually better. If you are also running MSWIN then you either need to use LOCAL or find the tweak someone posted ~1 week ago, that you can do to windows so it treats the hardware

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Goodwin wrote: >> what is there to tweak if you just tell msbsos that time zone >> is london, england? >> >> time + 0 is time + 0. > > I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT? It doesn't matter > since it really gets booted. my re

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread Bob Goodwin
g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Denniston wrote: If the machine is always running Unix/Linux, then UTC is usually better. If you are also running MSWIN then you either need to use LOCAL or find the tweak someone posted ~1 week ago, that you can do to windows so

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Denniston wrote: > If the machine is always running Unix/Linux, then UTC is usually better. If > you are also running MSWIN then you either need to use LOCAL or find the > tweak > someone posted ~1 week ago, that you can do to windows so it t

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-25 Thread Todd Denniston
Craig White wrote, On 08/25/2008 01:53 AM: On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 22:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: Craig White wrote: crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my offset from GMT I need someone to toss me a bone here... Craig Have you checked /etc/sysconfig/c

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:14 -0700 Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my > offset from GMT That sounds like fedora is the one that doesn't think the system clock is UTC. Try running system-config-date (as root) and see if

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Cox wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:52:24 + > g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> (1)scientific wild-assed guess >> as apposed to??? > > A regular wild-assed guess, of course. lol. yea. - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fence

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:52:24 + g <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (1)scientific wild-assed guess > > as apposed to??? A regular wild-assed guess, of course. -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscrib

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 22:43 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my > > offset from GMT > > > > I need someone to toss me a bone here... > > > > Craig > > > > > Have you checked /etc/sysconfig/clock? does

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread g
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frank Cox wrote: > (1)scientific wild-assed guess as apposed to??? - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documenta

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my offset from GMT I need someone to toss me a bone here... Craig Another stupid question: Is your TZ variable being set somewhere? --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To u

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my offset from GMT I need someone to toss me a bone here... Craig Have you checked /etc/sysconfig/clock? How about /etc/adjtime? --Russell -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsub

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:33:14 -0700 Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > crap...the clock moves ahead 7 hours when I boot Fedora ;-( that is my > offset from GMT > > I need someone to toss me a bone here... How about a SWAG: (1) ntpd issue? *** (1)scientific wild-assed guess -- MELVILLE

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 21:03 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 20:59 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: > > Craig White wrote: > > > this probably would have been clearer... > > > > > > # diff -s /etc/localtime /mnt/ubuntu/etc/localtime > > > Files /etc/localtime and /mnt/ubuntu/etc/localt

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 20:59 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > this probably would have been clearer... > > > > # diff -s /etc/localtime /mnt/ubuntu/etc/localtime > > Files /etc/localtime and /mnt/ubuntu/etc/localtime are identical > > > > Craig > > > > > Are the times differe

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Russell Miller
Craig White wrote: this probably would have been clearer... # diff -s /etc/localtime /mnt/ubuntu/etc/localtime Files /etc/localtime and /mnt/ubuntu/etc/localtime are identical Craig Are the times different in the hardware clock? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubs

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 03:45 -0700, Craig White wrote: > On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 21:37 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:33:58 -0700 > > Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Is it possible that one of them uses UTC and the other doesn't and how > > > do I verify/change so

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 21:37 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:33:58 -0700 > Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is it possible that one of them uses UTC and the other doesn't and how > > do I verify/change so I don't have to reset the clock each time I > > switch? > > What

Re: time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Frank Cox
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:33:58 -0700 Craig White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible that one of them uses UTC and the other doesn't and how > do I verify/change so I don't have to reset the clock each time I > switch? What's your local time in relation to UTC? If one of them says that's w

time stupidity

2008-08-24 Thread Craig White
I am dual booting Fedora 9 and Ubuntu 8 - it seems as though my clock settings are different though I thought I used the same settings on both and /etc/localtime seems to be the same on both. Is it possible that one of them uses UTC and the other doesn't and how do I verify/change so I don't have