Re: Opening RHM/news.fp.o

2008-10-10 Thread Jonathan Roberts
Yes, we did discuss in one of the meetings a few weeks ago. No, I don't know of an update. I'll ask around. Cheers. In the mean time I'd like to suggest that we set up a wordpress.com blog and use that to begin writing content that would appear on news.fp.o. I know we'll get there

Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS. The brazilian government, one of the

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Oliver Falk
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS. The

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS. There is a Fedora LTS. It's called

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Steven Moix
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 09:42 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS.

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Pablo Iranzo Gómez
Ola Rodrigo El vie, 10-10-2008 a las 10:51 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira escribió: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Kam
+1 -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -Original Message- From: Steven Moix [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora Date: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:27 am Size: 974 bytes To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Steven Moix
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 10:51 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: So, we are working here to recommend Red Hat and CENTOS ?? That's the question, Ubuntu has a LTS, Fedora don't! That's the main problem of the Fedora Project. Today, we have many users! With this idea to recommend Centos

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Kam
I am hesitant to use the word reccommend concerning a specific operating system. Educate is a better word when the focus is about choice. Everyone is different and likewise their solutions to technology problems will be different. it should be our first goal, when discussing Linux, to educate

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Kam escreveu: +1 -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E -Original Message- From: Steven Moix [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora Date: Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:27 am Size: 974 bytes To: For discussions about marketing and expanding

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Andrea Modesto Rossi
On Ven, 10 Ottobre 2008 4:27 pm, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: because is impossible to migrate every year to other Fedora Release. With the short time support is impossible to work and use Fedora. I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-) I Like this slogan: Fedora is

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu: I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-) I Like this slogan: Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven years. Best Regards, Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website. For me, it's a bad argument and

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu: I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-) I Like this slogan: Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven years. Best Regards, Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website. For me, it's a bad argument and

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
SERPRO (Brazilian Government IT Department) has more than 9.000 desktops running Fedora (in all brazilian states) and now is migrating to Ubuntu, because is impossible to migrate every year to other Fedora Release. With the short time support is impossible to work and use Fedora. If I have to

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
+1 Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo escreveu: I think Fedora is great distro, which is why I´m involved with it (of course...). But sometimes it's *really* disappointing to see how people in Fedora always seem to resit changes... So what there's RHEL and CentOS? So what the Fedora purpose is to

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Greg Dekoenigsberg
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008, Steven Moix wrote: On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 09:42 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora Project. Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market. It's about developping / building / creating / innovating / revolutionning the future of the desktop / server FOSS

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy project or a Fedora LTS.

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu: I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-) I Like this slogan: Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven years. Best Regards, Ok. Put this message on the Fedora Official website.

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Jonathan Roberts
I know what is Fedora and I understand the GOAL of the project, i'm here since 2005. Try to think about this in terms of free software, not distro v distro. For me, I use and contribute to Fedora because I care about freedom, want to help drive freedom forward and believe Fedora is the best

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Reopen the Legacy project would be great! But, we need to use the same infra and repositories of Fedora Project. That's the problem IMHO. If the Legacy project will be a official project i can work HARD to recruit people to work in LATAM. So, that's is the question. Can we maintain Fedora

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Jonathan Roberts escreveu: I know what is Fedora and I understand the GOAL of the project, i'm here since 2005. Try to think about this in terms of free software, not distro v distro. For me, I use and contribute to Fedora because I care about freedom, want to help drive freedom forward

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) escreveu: Or maybe you didn't really understand the goal of the Fedora Project. Once again, Fedora is not about conquering the desktop / server market. It's about developping / building / creating / innovating / revolutionning

Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 10

2008-10-10 Thread Markus McLaughlin
Seems to me, a new project has to be established. After Fedora 10 is released, let's find Fedora Programmers willing to tweak Fedora some more, rename it something else but add a LTS at the end for long term support, then release that into the public arena. If those who need RHEL support, can

Now more than ever, LINUX needs to be known!

2008-10-10 Thread Markus McLaughlin
With the economy on the brink of recession, LINUX could save the day for everyone needing a reliable Operating System! We need to reach out to Windoze/Mac Users who haven't taken the plunge yet. What can we do to lure them in? Markus McLaughlin linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA --

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo
Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want If I want to open the Space Monkeys Fedora project I could.. But that´s not the point here. We are talking about wheter or not the Fedora board is willing to sponsor this idea. Since we saw the creation of CentOS, I assume

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrea Modesto Rossi escreveu: I don't understand the problem...for LTS there is RHEL ;-) I Like this slogan: Fedora is the best of today, RHEL is the best of the following seven years. Best Regards,

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 11:57 -0300, Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote: But sometimes it's *really* disappointing to see how people in Fedora always seem to resit changes... So what there's RHEL and CentOS? So what the Fedora purpose is to be a lab?! Why can´t it be changed? What are *YOU*

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Steven Moix
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:52:11 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but we can BE BETTER, only adding more 1 year of updates to the packages!! With this improvement on the project the number of users/collaborators will increase!! It's good for fedora, for red hat,

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Francesco Ugolini
2008/10/10 Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Guys! Read this bad news: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1474805050;fp;16;fpid;1 This is happening frequently. I think we will have to revise some things within the project, particularly the creation of a Legacy

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want If I want to open the Space Monkeys Fedora project I could.. But that´s not the point here. We are talking about wheter or not the Fedora

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote: Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want If I want to open the Space Monkeys Fedora project I could.. But that´s not the point here. You will have to call it something else otherwise it would be a trademark violation ;-) We are

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Rahul Sundaram escreveu: Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote: Yes, it´s pretty clear... Of course we can do whatever we want If I want to open the Space Monkeys Fedora project I could.. But that´s not the point here. You will have to call it something else otherwise it would be a

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: In 2009 my main goal at the Fedora Project in latin america will be recruit people to the packaging project. Very nice. Increasing the number of people involved in this project we will can think in the Legacy project more efficiently. True, increasing the

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Alejandro Acosta
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote: In 2009 my main goal at the Fedora Project in latin america will be recruit people to the packaging project. Very nice. +1 Count me in, Man -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
On Fri, 2008-10-10 at 13:48 -0300, Luis Felipe Marzagao/Yahoo wrote: Anyway, my point is such idea should be at Fedora goals. Everything that drivers people away from Fedora should be considered, re-thought and, maybe, re-implemented. Rule number one of demagoguery: you CANNOT please

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Jon Stanley
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Steven Moix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real and simple answer to this LTS problem would be for RedHat to offer RHEL workstation for free (yes, the killed product), without support. The maintenance effort has already been made for RHEL and you are not losing

Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 12

2008-10-10 Thread Markus McLaughlin
I agree with Steven, something has to be done, or else Ubuntu takes over, period! Markus linuxglobe.wordpress.com Hudson, MA -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list

Re: Fedora-marketing-list Digest, Vol 52, Issue 12

2008-10-10 Thread Ian Weller
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 08:22:24PM -0400, Markus McLaughlin wrote: I agree with Steven, something has to be done, or else Ubuntu takes over, period! We don't have a clue what you're agreeing to. It's generally considered mailing list etiquette to both 1) if you subscribe to list digests,

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Neville A. Cross
I have read a couple of news regarding this topic. I found clear leave RHEL favouring a free distro. I was crystal clear to me using only one distro makes things easy. What I fail to find in the news is a technical reason to drop all RHEL and make standar Fedora, as they should be good at with the

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Satyajit Ranjeev
Hi, I'm relatively new, and I have been only using fedora for about 4 years. All these years I have used fedora, I had fun. In the beginning I was excited a new version released every 6 months. I moved into systems administration and realized the need of a very stable system. Recent

Re: Wikipidia - Goodbye Red Hat and Fedora

2008-10-10 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Satyajit Ranjeev wrote: Its just an idea, what about having a long term support for just the even releases or a yearly release of an official fedora spin just catering to servers. A spin catering for servers is easy to do but without a longer lifecycle does it make sense?