Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 00:15 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > Remaining @ redhat.com for formal Fedora Web services is like having a > Geocities website. OK, that's a little harsh. It just makes it appear > that Fedora is forever a stepchild of Red Hat; has to live in the same > house, but different l

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-05 Thread Matt Frye
> > 2. Move mailing lists to fedoraproject.org. Other than independence from > > redhat.com, what does this buy us? What is this independence from > > redhat.com worth? And is Seth even willing/able to maintain this? > > Seems this would just be a perception thing. I agree with this statement.

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-05 Thread Karsten Wade
On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 01:08 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 20:57 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote: > > My first instinct is to vote for #2. I like the long-term goal of the > > Fedora Project becoming more autonomous and independent -- or at least > > giving that appearance. I kno

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi - I think we should add "devel" to the name of these lists: fedora-desktop-list fedora-tools-list fedora-config-list No, this is not important, but it avoids confusion for the users. With "devel" in the name it's obvious that this is for devel discussions. Yes, there will still be people tha

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
Am Freitag, den 02.12.2005, 13:40 -0500 schrieb Greg DeKoenigsberg: > We've got the following options to consider: > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > big deal, really. We've got a

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi Is the perception that it ends in a redhat.com address? What if it were lists.fedoraproject.org or something similar, but still ran on RH's hardware? Just playing Devil's Advocate (: Red Hat HW or bandwidth is just fine because it has low visibility compared to a domain name unless it

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Patrick Barnes
Jesse Keating wrote: > On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 14:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Perception is a huge factor in favor of it. Even when we let non >> @redhat.com community people to administrate mailing lists, this is not >> very visible. Adequate infrastructure and people behind >> fedor

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 14:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Perception is a huge factor in favor of it. Even when we let non > @redhat.com community people to administrate mailing lists, this is not > very visible. Adequate infrastructure and people behind > fedoraproject.org is important to ens

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Jesse Keating wrote: On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 08:07 +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: also my vote for 2 Ok guys, this isn't a vote. This is a probe as to why you would want to use one option over another. A blank vote doesn't help. A well thought out reason would help a lot. Why would yo

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 20:57 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote: > My first instinct is to vote for #2. I like the long-term goal of the > Fedora Project becoming more autonomous and independent -- or at least > giving that appearance. I know it would take a great deal of effort to > move everything over

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-03 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sat, 2005-12-03 at 08:07 +0100, Gerold Kassube wrote: > > also my vote for 2 Ok guys, this isn't a vote. This is a probe as to why you would want to use one option over another. A blank vote doesn't help. A well thought out reason would help a lot. Why would you want 2, what makes it the b

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread David Barzilay
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:40 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > start them up. > > We've got the following options to consider: > > 1. Continuing

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Gerold Kassube
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thomas Chung wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > > > >>OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > >>as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various fo

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Chung wrote: > On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > >>OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work >>as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to >>start t

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Patrick Barnes
Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > start them up. > > We've got the following options to consider: > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. Th

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 11:09 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:40 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > > big deal, really. We've

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 13:40 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest > option, and considering that Red Hat sponsors lots of mailing lists, no > big deal, really. We've got a good infrastructure for getting them > created relatively

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Stephen Krenzel
I vote for #1. The infatructure is already in place, the overhead is taken care of. I'm a fan of keeping it simple, and not fixing things that aren't broken :) Changing the mailing list infastructure just for nominal reasons seems pointless and will only serve to create more work for others :) Rega

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Paul Stauffer
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 01:40:46PM -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > start them up. Just to clarify, do you see an actual problem (current or imp

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
I don't care as long as "authoritative" lists are archived in a centralized place. Can I troll web-archives on multiple servers..yes I can. Do I want to do that? Not if I can avoid it. While I might not be particularly good at it, I do attempt to search relevant list discussions before I jump into

Re: Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Thomas Chung
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:40:46 -0500 (EST), Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote > OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work > as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to > start them up. > > We've got the following options to consider: > > 1. Contin

Mailing lists, redux

2005-12-02 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
OK, so we need to come to a decision on how Fedora mailing lists will work as we grow, because we're starting to get requests from various folks to start them up. We've got the following options to consider: 1. Continuing to host mailing lists at Red Hat. This is the easiest option, and consid