dormant bugs and our perception

2007-12-31 Thread Jon Stanley
I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a reporter.While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since it seems to be a problem for us rather than

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2007-12-31 Thread William Cattey
I too have been disheartened to hear nothing for months and often more than a year for problems I have reported. It is impossible to give every submitted a bug detailed and rigorous attention. There are just too many bugs and not enough people. It seems to me, however, that if those in the

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2007-12-31 Thread Marc Wiriadisastra
On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 19:41 -0500, William Cattey wrote: > I too have been disheartened to hear nothing for months and often > more than a year for problems I have reported. > > It is impossible to give every submitted a bug detailed and rigorous > attention. There are just too many bugs and

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-01 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:41:47 -0500 William Cattey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems to me, however, that if those in the know could manage to > triage each incoming bug within a few days, and answer the submitter > doing four simple things, the people submitting the bugs would feel > mor

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
William Cattey wrote: Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value produced is measurable and significant. I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really have many triagers and any help on this would be most welcome. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-01 Thread Michael Stahnke
On Jan 1, 2008 7:33 AM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Cattey wrote: > > > > Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value > > produced is measurable and significant. > > I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really > have many tr

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Michael Stahnke wrote: To me, a lot of the reason there are not more people tracking down bugs like this is that any/most packages that were part of core, can't be fixed by community members. Triaging bugs usually doesn't require any commit access. I have triaged hundreds of bugs before and

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-01 Thread inode0
On Jan 1, 2008 7:33 AM, Rahul Sundaram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William Cattey wrote: > > > > Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value > > produced is measurable and significant. > > I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really > have many tr

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
inode0 wrote: On Jan 1, 2008 7:33 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: William Cattey wrote: Bottom line: Every bug deserves 15 minutes of triage. The value produced is measurable and significant. I am pretty sure everybody will agree with that. However we don't really have many triagers and any help

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-02 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Jon Stanley wrote: I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a reporter.While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating to a reporter, I'm not entirely sure what (if anything) we can do about it.- I'm sending this to marketing-list since

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-02 Thread inode0
On Jan 2, 2008 9:23 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Jon Stanley wrote: > > > I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a > > reporter.While I agree that a lack of response can be frustrating > > to a reporter, I'm not entirely sur

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-02 Thread Michael Stahnke
On Jan 2, 2008 10:00 AM, inode0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 2, 2008 9:23 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Jon Stanley wrote: > > > > > I was triaging old bugs in the FC6 kernel, and got this back form a > > > reporter.While I agree that a lack o

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-02 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 10:23:03AM -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > Cross-posting to the Fedora advisory board list. Our inability to create > and nurture a bug triage community continues to be painful, and our current > QA resources within Red Hat continue to be (necessarily) technically > f

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-02 Thread Jon Stanley
On Jan 2, 2008 3:24 PM, Chuck Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Allow QA contributors to subscribe to certain products/components > so they are CC'd on any new bugs in those areas. I suppose you could do this using the 'watch' feature of bugzilla to watch the maintainer (though that may be

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-02 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Jan 2, 2008 12:24 PM, Chuck Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There seems to be no official process to become a QA contributor or > Bug Triager. Formalizing this process and documenting it would go a > long way to improving things. Here again, have a strong leader to drive the process woul

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-02 Thread William Cattey
John, Great question earlier in the thread to ascertain scope. 3-4 FTEs to address a constant 8000 bug backlog seems eminently addressable. I agree that involving universities in the bug fixing is an excellent approach. In fact, I'd say that if you had the mentor available, you wouldn't

Re: dormant bugs and our perception

2008-01-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Chuck Anderson wrote: There seems to be no official process to become a QA contributor or Bug Triager. Formalizing this process and documenting it would go a long way to improving things. There is a process outlined in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA#head-5234f50982dab35b93f474f5ba001b970