[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2010-01-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #57 from Dave Malcolm 2010-01-09 12:28:03 EST --- The remaining issues from comment #56: > - a reviewer needs to g

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2010-01-09 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #58 from Dave Malcolm 2010-01-09 12:29:51 EST --- > how to "bake in" the result at build time in a way that works i

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2010-01-07 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #56 from Dave Malcolm 2010-01-07 21:12:33 EDT --- Replying to comment #55: Thanks! I've added a %check to the

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-12-07 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Dave Malcolm changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-23 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #55 from Thomas Spura 2009-11-23 17:10:22 EDT --- Sorry for the delay: You could add a %check section: %chec

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-20 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #54 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-20 14:17:58 EDT --- (In reply to comment #53) > I can't get runtests.sh working.

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-18 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #53 from Thomas Spura 2009-11-18 16:17:35 EDT --- I can't get runtests.sh working... When running, all tests

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-18 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #52 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-18 10:30:40 EDT --- (In reply to comment #51) > hmm i am curious why not call py

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-18 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Rudolf Kastl changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #50 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-17 22:00:25 EDT --- (In reply to comment #47) > Created an attachment (id=369966

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #49 from Andrew McNabb 2009-11-17 17:02:27 EDT --- (In reply to comment #48) > > I wouldn't worry too much ab

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #48 from Andrew McNabb 2009-11-17 16:56:49 EDT --- (In reply to comment #46) > - fixup the factual errors in

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #47 from Andrew McNabb 2009-11-17 16:44:32 EDT --- Created an attachment (id=369966) --> (https://bugzilla.re

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #46 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-17 15:52:43 EDT --- I read through the history here, and tried to summarize the

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #45 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-04 13:09:39 EDT --- (In reply to comment #43) > I'll look at doing something sim

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #44 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-04 12:50:08 EDT --- > Having said that, it only affects systems with python-deve

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-04 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #43 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-04 12:49:18 EDT --- (In reply to comment #42) > (In reply to comment #41) > > Re

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-03 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #42 from Toshio Ernie Kuratomi 2009-11-03 20:24:50 EDT --- (In reply to comment #41) > Re (ii), is there a sta

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-03 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #41 from Dave Malcolm 2009-11-03 13:56:50 EDT --- Thanks; I've addressed most of the above; here's the latest

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-11-02 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Dave Malcolm changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-30 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #40 from Toshio Ernie Kuratomi 2009-10-30 20:16:40 EDT --- Clarification: > We don't need this:: > [ -d $RPM_

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-30 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #39 from Toshio Ernie Kuratomi 2009-10-30 20:14:13 EDT --- Python 3.* isn't very standard across packages. Si

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-29 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #38 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-29 23:23:43 EDT --- (In reply to comment #37) > The current specfile puts %{pyli

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-29 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #37 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-29 15:16:08 EDT --- The current specfile puts %{pylibdir}/config/* into the dev

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Dave Malcolm changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #36 from Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams 2009-10-28 01:46:45 EDT --- I'm fine with switching it to whoever come the app

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Andrew McNabb changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #35 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-28 00:13:23 EDT --- Wow. You've made tremendous progress. The remaining rpmli

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #34 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-27 20:39:59 EDT --- Updated specfile: http://dmalcolm.fedorapeople.org/python3.s

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-27 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #33 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-27 12:45:12 EDT --- (In reply to comment #32) > > FWIW I think this is still t

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-26 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #32 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-26 19:23:44 EDT --- (In reply to comment #31) > (In reply to comment #29) > > (I

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-23 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #31 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-23 19:51:58 EDT --- (In reply to comment #29) > (In reply to comment #26) > > Da

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-23 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Dave Malcolm changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #30 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-22 20:47:22 EDT --- (In reply to comment #29) > > I want to build up a full py

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #29 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-22 19:43:24 EDT --- (In reply to comment #26) > Dave, I've downloaded your new s

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #28 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-22 18:16:50 EDT --- Of the rpmlint warnings, I think that the following are igno

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #27 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-22 18:05:11 EDT --- (Andrew, thanks; I'll respond to comment #26, but here's wha

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #26 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-22 14:59:56 EDT --- Dave, I've downloaded your new specfile and taken a look at

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-22 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #25 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-22 11:44:32 EDT --- Updated specfile: http://dmalcolm.fedorapeople.org/python3.s

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-21 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #24 from Rahul Sundaram 2009-10-21 18:51:06 EDT --- The review process does depend on the reporter field to be

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-21 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #23 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-21 18:27:13 EDT --- > Since Dave is working so hard on this, I think it would be

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-21 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #22 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-21 18:07:44 EDT --- Since Dave is working so hard on this, I think it would be

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-21 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #21 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-21 16:07:11 EDT --- I've fixed some of the rpmlint issues. Updated specfile her

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-20 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #20 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-20 19:45:09 EDT --- I've had a go at merging Andrew and Ignacio's specfiles, usi

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-20 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #19 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-20 12:05:57 EDT --- Dave, I think it makes sense to block the private libraries

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-19 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #18 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-19 15:20:44 EDT --- Created an attachment (id=365268) --> (https://bugzilla.red

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-19 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #17 from Dave Malcolm 2009-10-19 15:19:53 EDT --- Created an attachment (id=365267) --> (https://bugzilla.red

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #16 from James Antill 2009-10-17 01:40:32 EDT --- > A package that works with both python2 and python3 ... is

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #15 from Steve Traylen 2009-10-16 18:54:29 EDT --- For comment #14 and the problem of two versions of say, SOA

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #14 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-16 18:22:58 EDT --- James, thanks for the informative link. One of the concern

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #13 from James Antill 2009-10-16 17:20:57 EDT --- > James, thanks for your thoughts. By the way, why are you

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-15 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #12 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-15 19:06:52 EDT --- Ignacio, thanks for your help. For the record, I'm really

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-15 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #11 from Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams 2009-10-15 16:31:12 EDT --- 2) The .list thing was experimental. Feel free to

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-14 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #10 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-14 12:47:38 EDT --- James, thanks for your thoughts. By the way, why are you w

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #9 from James Antill 2009-10-14 01:35:27 EDT --- I'm pretty worried about multiple installable python's, so I

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #8 from Andrew McNabb 2009-10-13 17:26:22 EDT --- Dave, thank you very much for your insightful thoughts. I a

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-13 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Dave Malcolm changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-10-01 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Dave Malcolm changed: What|Removed |Added -

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-09-29 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #5 from Thomas Kowaliczek 2009-09-29 20:01:58 EDT --- Ah i see now it works :) -- Configure bugmail: https:/

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-09-29 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #4 from Andrew McNabb 2009-09-29 12:15:08 EDT --- Thomas, I've tried downloading the files from a few differen

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-09-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Rahul Sundaram changed: What|Removed |Added ---

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-09-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Thomas Kowaliczek changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-09-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 Andrew McNabb changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 526126] Review Request: python3 - Python 3.x (backwards incompatible version)

2009-09-28 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526126 --- Comment #1 from Andrew McNabb 2009-09-28 18:42:50 EDT --- By the way, this is my first Fedora package, so I would grea