Re: tangent: PolicyKit and PAM

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 13:18 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > Like I said, this is a tangent, and I'm certainly not expecting anyone to > work on this. But it'd be cool if they did. Just as everybody else is struggling to get away from pam's awful apis...I don't think this would be a step forward; b

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 12:29 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > 1. In fact, a PAM-backed authority for PolicyKit might be interesting and > useful -- but there's a tangent. What do you think PolicyKit is using for authentication ? See http://cgit.freedesktop.org/PolicyKit/tree/src/polkitagent/polki

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:48 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > when the policies are updated it is policy kit that has to be involved. > polkitd is running, at least. That might be ok to log, indeed. polkitd need not be running, though. It is activated as needed. > It would make sense for polkit

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:26 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > One of the important features of sudo is its ability to log elevated-access > actions to syslog. > > Userhelper similarly logs actions, like so: "userhelper[26491]: running > '/usr/share/system-config-users/system-config-users ' with root

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 19:36 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:31 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > >> Otherwise we open ourselves up to a less-secure-by-default posture in an > >> averag

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 18:31 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > Otherwise we open ourselves up to a less-secure-by-default posture in an > average install. > > We've been in that position in the past and it is not a favorable place to > be. > We should just avoid to sink tons of QA resources in verify

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-23 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 14:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > It's not QA's role to define exactly what the security policy should > look like or what it should cover, but from the point of view of > testing, what we really need are concrete requirements. The policy does > not have to be immediately