Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-10 Thread Leo Izen
On 2/29/24 20:13, Michael Niedermayer wrote: Every codec we develop is experimental and used by nobody then by nobody outside ffmpeg and if we dont allow this then we can never create a new codec. FFv1 would not exist if we could not have added it at ta time noone used it. FFv1 would not have b

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-10 Thread Alexander Strasser via ffmpeg-devel
On 2024-02-28 19:36 +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, at 18:55, James Almer wrote: > > On 2/28/2024 10:31 AM, J. Dekker wrote: > >> > >> Michael Niedermayer writes: > >> > >>> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-02 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 10:34 PM Lynne wrote: > >> If it's the last case, or simply being a one-off, I can agree with > deprecating > >> and remove it next bump. But if the developer thinks they will have > time and > >> have motivation to work on it in the future, I think we should leave it > at

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-01 Thread Lynne
Mar 1, 2024, 21:33 by an...@khirnov.net: > Quoting Lynne (2024-03-01 20:41:53) > >> Mar 1, 2024, 19:59 by an...@khirnov.net: >> >> > Quoting Lynne (2024-02-29 14:30:55) >> > >> >> We offer support for it. Someone must have used it. >> >> I'm sure there are less used game codecs we support than Son

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-01 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Lynne (2024-03-01 20:41:53) > Mar 1, 2024, 19:59 by an...@khirnov.net: > > > Quoting Lynne (2024-02-29 14:30:55) > > > >> We offer support for it. Someone must have used it. > >> I'm sure there are less used game codecs we support than Sonic. > >> > > > > [citation needed] > > > > Is there

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-01 Thread Tomas Härdin
ons 2024-02-28 klockan 13:56 +0100 skrev J. Dekker: > This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only > encoder and decoder, development has stalled and these files don't > exist > in the wild. > > Signed-off-by: J. Dekker > --- >  Changelog   |    1 + >  configure

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-01 Thread Lynne
Mar 1, 2024, 19:59 by an...@khirnov.net: > Quoting Lynne (2024-02-29 14:30:55) > >> We offer support for it. Someone must have used it. >> I'm sure there are less used game codecs we support than Sonic. >> > > [citation needed] > > Is there any evidence that it was used for anything other than > d

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-01 Thread Nicolas George
Anton Khirnov (12024-03-01): > Is there any evidence that it was used for anything other than > development and testing? That anyone has any actual samples in it they'd > like to play? Wrong question. The burden of proof is on whoever wants to remove, not on the status quo. And good luck proving

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-03-01 Thread Anton Khirnov
Quoting Lynne (2024-02-29 14:30:55) > We offer support for it. Someone must have used it. > I'm sure there are less used game codecs we support than Sonic. [citation needed] Is there any evidence that it was used for anything other than development and testing? That anyone has any actual samples

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-29 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 03:44:46PM +0100, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:31 PM Lynne wrote: > > > Feb 29, 2024, 02:50 by vittorio.giov...@gmail.com: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:13 PM Lynne wrote: > > > > > >> Feb 28, 2024, 14:29 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > > >> > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-29 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:31 PM Lynne wrote: > Feb 29, 2024, 02:50 by vittorio.giov...@gmail.com: > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:13 PM Lynne wrote: > > > >> Feb 28, 2024, 14:29 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: > >> > > >> >> This

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-29 Thread Lynne
Feb 29, 2024, 02:50 by vittorio.giov...@gmail.com: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:13 PM Lynne wrote: > >> Feb 28, 2024, 14:29 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: >> >> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: >> > >> >> This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 11:13 PM Lynne wrote: > Feb 28, 2024, 14:29 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: > > > >> This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only > >> encoder and decoder, > >> > > > > > >> development has

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Lynne
Feb 28, 2024, 14:29 by mich...@niedermayer.cc: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: > >> This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only >> encoder and decoder, >> > > >> development has stalled >> > > Thats not true, there was private dicussion making s

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Rémi Denis-Courmont
Le keskiviikkona 28. helmikuuta 2024, 19.55.11 EET James Almer a écrit : > > The last commit which actually changed the codec was > > 6026a5ad4f135476c7a1f51f8cfa7f4cc2ca0283 by you in 2013 which is over 10 > > years ago. For an experimental codec I think it's pretty safe to say > > that developmen

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024, at 18:55, James Almer wrote: > On 2/28/2024 10:31 AM, J. Dekker wrote: >> >> Michael Niedermayer writes: >> >>> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread James Almer
On 2/28/2024 10:31 AM, J. Dekker wrote: Michael Niedermayer writes: [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only encoder and decoder, development has stalled Thats not true,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread J. Dekker
Vittorio Giovara writes: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 2:38 PM J. Dekker wrote: > >> >> Michael Niedermayer writes: >> >> > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] >> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: >> >> This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only >> >>

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Vittorio Giovara
On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 2:38 PM J. Dekker wrote: > > Michael Niedermayer writes: > > > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: > >> This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only > >> encoder and decoder, > > > > > >> deve

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Nicolas George
J. Dekker (12024-02-28): > Keeping the codec around based on 'what if?'s doesn't seem > reasonable. Spending your efforts on it, even if it is just to remove it, is a waste of your time. -- Nicolas George ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ff

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread J. Dekker
Michael Niedermayer writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: >> This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only >> encoder and decoder, > > >> development has stalled > > Thats not true, there was private dicussion

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 01:56:10PM +0100, J. Dekker wrote: > This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only > encoder and decoder, > development has stalled Thats not true, there was private dicussion making sonic the most advanced audio codec in FFmpeg a few months ago. Iam

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread Andreas Rheinhardt
J. Dekker: > This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only > encoder and decoder, development has stalled and these files don't exist > in the wild. > > Signed-off-by: J. Dekker > --- > Changelog |1 + > configure |3 - > libavcodec/Makef

[FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 2/2] avcodec: remove sonic lossy/lossless audio

2024-02-28 Thread J. Dekker
This was an experimental/research codec of which ffmpeg is the only encoder and decoder, development has stalled and these files don't exist in the wild. Signed-off-by: J. Dekker --- Changelog |1 + configure |3 - libavcodec/Makefile |3 - libavcodec/