Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Reindl Harald thelounge.net> writes: > when you specify something twice the right one wins I fear it's not that easy: It is actually undefined behaviour to specify an option twice (that is not supposed to be specified more than once), so for example ticket #4184. Carl Eugen

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2016 um 17:00 schrieb Phil Rhodes: thinking one can develop a GUI which is usable and supports all of the > features of ffmpeg or even a large part of them is naive Well, possibly, but the problem is that the CLI doesn't do a very good job of it either. Inasmuch as CLI discoverabi

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2016 um 16:32 schrieb Paul B Mahol: On 1/5/16, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 05.01.2016 um 16:21 schrieb Michael Koch: For example, Harald Reindl just wrote: "and when you specify something twice the right one wins" Is this already in the FFmpeg documentation? that's common sense f

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Phil Rhodes
> thinking one can develop a GUI which is usable and supports all of the >  >features of ffmpeg or even a large part of them is naive Well, possibly, but the problem is that the CLI doesn't do a very good job of it either. Inasmuch as CLI discoverability is effectively zero, it doesn't do any job

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Michael Koch
well, then i ask the question different "--width=600 --width=300" - what would you expect? before I saw your answer, it was unclear to me if it's 300 or 600. Michael ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@ffmpeg.org http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/li

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 1/5/16, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 05.01.2016 um 16:21 schrieb Michael Koch: For example, Harald Reindl just wrote: "and when you specify something twice the right one wins" Is this already in the FFmpeg documentation? >>> >>> that's common sense >> >> for you, but not fo

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2016 um 16:21 schrieb Michael Koch: For example, Harald Reindl just wrote: "and when you specify something twice the right one wins" Is this already in the FFmpeg documentation? that's common sense for you, but not for a beginner well, then i ask the question different "--width

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Michael Koch
For example, Harald Reindl just wrote: "and when you specify something twice the right one wins" Is this already in the FFmpeg documentation? that's common sense for you, but not for a beginner. Michael ___ ffmpeg-user mailing list ffmpeg-user@

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2016 um 16:03 schrieb Michael Koch: What part of this mailing list thread is not documented in your opinion? For example, Harald Reindl just wrote: "and when you specify something twice the right one wins" Is this already in the FFmpeg documentation? that's common sense signatu

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2016 um 15:43 schrieb Phil Rhodes: I think in general a lot of problems with commandline software in general exist when the software begins to exceed the ability of a commandline to act as a workable UI. Naturally there are reasons to provide serialised instructions to a piece of so

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Michael Koch
What part of this mailing list thread is not documented in your opinion? For example, Harald Reindl just wrote: "and when you specify something twice the right one wins" Is this already in the FFmpeg documentation? Michael ___ ffmpeg-user mailing

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Michael Koch t-online.de> writes: > For many questions, it might be better not to answer > them here. Instead, please add the answers to the > documentation and then just post a link. What part of this mailing list thread is not documented in your opinion? Carl Eugen ___

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Phil Rhodes
I think in general a lot of problems with commandline software in general exist when the software begins to exceed the ability of a commandline to act as a workable UI. Naturally there are reasons to provide serialised instructions to a piece of software, but in many cases that isn't really inte

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Michael Koch
As mentioned, documentation improvements are *always* welcome. I agree with Roger that for a beginner FFmpeg's documentation leaves many questions unanswered. It would be great to have more details and especially more examples in the documentation. Many questions are answered in this user li

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.01.2016 um 15:04 schrieb Roger Pack: As a note, I just had to get this off my chest, and I'll only say this once. Some of FFmpeg's command line syntax is *confusing* and *super confusing* for beginners. For instance this: ffmpeg -r 30 -i input_file specifies a framerate *override* for

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Moritz Barsnick
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 07:04:11 -0700, Roger Pack wrote: > As a note, I just had to get this off my chest, and I'll only say this > once. Some of FFmpeg's command line syntax is *confusing* and *super > confusing* for beginners. That may be the case. :-) Feel free to suggest improvements to docu

Re: [FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Carl Eugen Hoyos
Roger Pack gmail.com> writes: > ffmpeg -i input -f rawvideo -f nut output.nut > > Using (or being able to use) "-f" > typically using two "-f" s would be an override. > But in this case it isn't. In fact, its using > "-f" to specify two entirely different aspects of > the output file. I ha

[FFmpeg-user] flame about confusing command line options.

2016-01-05 Thread Roger Pack
As a note, I just had to get this off my chest, and I'll only say this once. Some of FFmpeg's command line syntax is *confusing* and *super confusing* for beginners. For instance this: ffmpeg -r 30 -i input_file specifies a framerate *override* for the input, however if you specify it for the o