RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Kehl Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution Frank, What's a Luddite? : ) BK Someone who opposes

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Mark T.
At 10:32 PM 7/03/01 -0500, you wrote: Do you guys want to alienate all amateurs on this list? ;) Of course not. There *was* a smile there! My visitor stats say that 80% of my visitors are using less than or equal to 1024x768. How do you know that is their display resolution, and not what

Re: filmscanners: A Digital Greenhorn's Malady! ;-)

2001-03-08 Thread IronWorks
Check your local photo shop - they often have them. I believe Kodak makes them. Maris - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:06 PM Subject: filmscanners: A Digital Greenhorn's Malady! ;-) | As the above title hints at,

Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )

2001-03-08 Thread EdHamrick
In a message dated 3/7/2001 7:20:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ed Hamrick: is there any way you can reverse the order the frames are scanned in? This would greatly improve the usability of this scanner. This is on my list of things to look into. It shouldn't be too hard to make

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Jules
- Original Message - From: "Mark T." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 11:20 PM Subject: [OT] javascript/java (was RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution) At 10:32 PM 7/03/01 -0500, you wrote: My visitor stats say that 80% of my

RE: filmscanners: Vuescan

2001-03-08 Thread Sumtingwong
Sadly to say, it is not supported yet for this scanner. I am still willing to loan mine, Ed? ;) Spencer Stone -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Berk Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

RE: filmscanners: (no subject)

2001-03-08 Thread Sumtingwong
I would have to disagree with this. I own the Kodak, and am very happy with it. The software works fine for me. I have found it to be a little buggy at times, but it also has some great features. I am happy with my purchase. A little experience with what can and cannot be done while

Re: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE?

2001-03-08 Thread Roman Kielich®
I run 3 PC at home and 3 at work, all using W2k. I will never go back. The machines are from Pentium 166MMX (overclocked to 200), through Celeron 300 (466) to PIII 800, work various PII and PIII around 400 mark. Memory - the most important think, get as much as you can squeeze. Mine are at

AW: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Elmar Pinkhardt
So what I have read in this thread is, that most of you try to get the highest possible resolution with a monitor and an acceptable refresh rate (by the way I think 75 Hz is NOT acceptable, as most screens are optimized to 85 Hz). But what do you win out of having a 17' with 1600*1200 or a 21'

Re: filmscanners: Win2K system requirements

2001-03-08 Thread Rob Geraghty
"IronWorks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok - I was confused. I was referring to 100 MHz DIMMs v. 133 MHz DIMMs. I take it Win2K works fine with 100 MHz DIMMs? Win2K doesn't care what the front side (memory) bus speed is. It just runs faster with a faster bus. Rob

Re: filmscanners: Need feedback on VueScan Idea

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
Jules wrote: is the prescan in NikonScan just a scan? it's seems awful fast, even faster than the fastest vuescan preview. Scanwit's Mira Photo driver also uses a fast scan (at 300ppi) to show all the frames in the film-holder. This has the advantage of allerting me to "problem frames" that

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Jim Sharp
Frank Keep in mind that a lot of software will not run, or will not run correctly with Large or Scaled screen fonts. One of the first things Adobe recommends when you are having stability problems with their software ( Pagemaker, Photoshop, etc. ) is set the machine for small fonts. Some of the

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Elmar Pinkhardt Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution So what I have read in this thread is, that most of you try

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
Yes, I forgot to mention that. It was in the back of my mind when I was writing one of my posts, but it never got out. I actually had to fix a program one that had this bug. Eventually, however, resolutions will be so high that we'll all have to set our fonts to 100% and programs that don't

filmscanners: Grain aliasing webpage

2001-03-08 Thread Henry Richardson
Here's a good write-up about grain aliasing: http://www.photoscientia.co.uk/Grain.htm _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Enoch's Vision, Inc. \(Cary Enoch R...\)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Geraghty Austin wrote: The right tools for the job. Having a 'resolution' of at least 1280x1024 is not untypical for most people who do image editing. In fact, I'd bet most on this list have 1600 x 1200. Geeze, Austin. Several people have

Re: filmscanners: Kodak RFS 3600

2001-03-08 Thread David Sirola
Here's my take on the Kodak 3600, which I recently purchased. All in all, it produces fabulous images, which is the most important issue. Slides look fantastic, and C41 scans are amazing: enough to make me reconsider shooting my color in negative instead of slides. B+W results vary from

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread IronWorks
I'm reading the review now - it says that different monitor resolutions cannot be set only in the Windows NT/2000: "Under Windows NT/2000 you lose some flexibility in that your two displays cannot have resolutions independent of one another" Apparently resolution can be independent under

filmscanners: PS with dual CPUs, WAS: Re: Need feedback on VueScan Idea

2001-03-08 Thread Enoch's Vision, Inc. \(Cary Enoch R...\)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Geraghty "Quoton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: down any more. However, Photoshop (5.5) is noticeably slower on Win2K than Win98. That's highly abnormal and indicative that something is not right with your Win2K installation. It could be any of a

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Austin Franklin
That kind of makes no sense. It is dependent on what size window one allows the browser to have. If one runs full screen on an 800x600 monitor, it's larger than a little window on a 1280x1024 display. How do you tell that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

filmscanners: OT: Co-processors Amiga

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
This is only marginally related to scanning, in that it presents another way of looking at graphics computing power and design, and a fresh look (in this case, a flashback :-)) is always a good thing to take once in a while, IMHO. Most people who never used one are confused completely about what

filmscanners: OT: Co-processors Amiga

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
This is only marginally related to scanning, in that it presents another way of looking at graphics computing power and design, and a fresh look (in this case, a flashback :-)) is always a good thing to take once in a while, IMHO. Most people who never used one are confused completely about what

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
Yes it can. I have two dual monitor systems. One has two separate ATI cards and the other has a single dual head Matrox 400 Millennium card. Both allow under Win 98 for the monitors to be independent of each other and to be set at different resolutions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: filmscanners: Grain aliasing webpage

2001-03-08 Thread IronWorks
And the write-up leads to another article on dealing with grain using various Photoshop (and other) filters: http://www.idahoairships.com/photoshop.htm#Film%20Grain,%20Pixellation,%20an d%20Scanning%20Noise Maris - Original Message - From: "Henry Richardson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

AW: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Elmar Pinkhardt
Elmar Pinkhardt Auf-dem-Kreuz 24 89073 Ulm Germany Tel: (0731)21905 0170 474 3369 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Im Auftrag von Frank Paris Gesendet:

Re: filmscanners: Win2K /dual Booting

2001-03-08 Thread Michael Wilkinson
Hi Eli, We have been dual booting utilising separate hard drives between NT4 and Win 2k. Its not caused any problems to date and enables us ,as you rightly mention,to run "Old" peripherals successfully. With Ram prices so low I can not understand why everyone does not have at least half a gig !

filmscanners: Matrox now supports W2K independent displays

2001-03-08 Thread Larry Berman
I just called Matrox about the W2K not supporting dual independent displays. They just released the latest drivers YESTERDAY which solves that problem. It now appears that you will be able to have independent resolution settings on dual monitors with both the G400 and the G450 cards. So far

RE: filmscanners: OT: Co-processors Amiga

2001-03-08 Thread Austin Franklin
Most people who never used one are confused completely about what Amiga was. No, it wasn't a grown-up Atari, Hardware/architecture wise it sure was. The Atari was the first such machine to have custom processors (four) designed specifically to handle video and audio processing, as well as

Re: filmscanners: Matrox now supports W2K independent displays

2001-03-08 Thread Larry Berman
It appears that by yesterday, they really mean Feb 26th. The driver number is 5.51.005 for W2K that fixes the problem. Larry I just called Matrox about the W2K not supporting dual independent displays. They just released the latest drivers YESTERDAY which solves that problem. It now appears

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
Maris wrote: I'm reading the review now - it says that different monitor resolutions cannot be set only in the Windows NT/2000: "Under Windows NT/2000 you lose some flexibility in that your two displays cannot have resolutions independent of one another" "Uncle Bill" strikes again! ;-)

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
Maris wrote: I'm reading the review now - it says that different monitor resolutions cannot be set only in the Windows NT/2000: "Under Windows NT/2000 you lose some flexibility in that your two displays cannot have resolutions independent of one another" "Uncle Bill" strikes again! ;-)

filmscanners: OT: apologies

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
I know every List Member's mailbox is overflowing (mine is), so I apologize for 3 posts of the same msg. My ISP/mailbox- service had a brief nervous breakdown. Best regards--LRA --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name

Re: filmscanners: Q60

2001-03-08 Thread Tony Sleep
On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:26:34 +1000 Rob Geraghty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I seem to recall Tony saying it was also difficult to procure the Q60 in the UK, It's available (in theory) from any Kodak Professional or Digital Imaging dealer. However most will just look blank when presented with

RE: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE?

2001-03-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
My understanding is that Win2K is a replacement upgrade for Win NT. It would be most useful to those who utilize large networks. It supposedly is more stable than Win 98, 98SE, and ME; but it does not cupport the range of drivers that are supported under the other versions - at least not yet.

Re: filmscanners: Need feedback on VueScan Idea

2001-03-08 Thread Jim Snyder
Mike Kersenbrock wrote: Jim Snyder wrote: But, a properly designed program usually uses speed keys for the buttons anyway, and location is not a concern. I have yet to meet many users that don't recohgnize the efficiencies picked up by shortcuts, aliases, and speed keys. Even the

Re: filmscanners: Kodak RFS 3600

2001-03-08 Thread David Sirola
From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:15:54 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: Kodak RFS 3600 I would be glad to send some samples to you directly, but off list. Feel free to drop me a note. Dave

RE: filmscanners: Grain aliasing webpage

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
EXCELLENT ARTICLE, Pete! And a "must read" for Scanwitters and others. This answers *some* of my questions about "noise and how to correct it," with about 40 more to go. :-) Best regards, and thanks--LRA From: "Henry Richardson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: Grain aliasing webpage

Re: filmscanners: OT: apologies

2001-03-08 Thread Jim Snyder
Lynn Allen wrote: I know every List Member's mailbox is overflowing (mine is), so I apologize for 3 posts of the same msg. My ISP/mailbox- service had a brief nervous breakdown. I wondered about that. Usually I only see doubled messages when something goes haywire. Three was unusual. Jim

filmscanners: VueScan/Minolta scan order

2001-03-08 Thread Tim Victor
On Thursday, March 08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/7/2001 7:20:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ed Hamrick: is there any way you can reverse the order the frames are scanned in? This would greatly improve the usability of this scanner. This is on my list of things to

Re: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE?

2001-03-08 Thread IronWorks
Which would be a reason for dual-boot systems, of course. Maris - Original Message - From: "Laurie Solomon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE? | My understanding

Re: filmscanners: Kodak RFS 3600

2001-03-08 Thread tom
Thanks for the review. Have you (or anyone else) batch scanned anything yet? I'm wondering how long it takes to chew through a roll, whether the 37th frame will make it choke, and how much babysitting you need to do. Thanks. tv (Hi Jules.) David Sirola wrote: Here's my take on the Kodak

RE: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE?

2001-03-08 Thread Eli Bowen
"Top 10 Reasons to Move to Windows 2000 Professional": http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/toptenupgr ade.asp -Original Message- From: IronWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 1:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

RE: filmscanners: OT: Co-processors Amiga

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
--Original Message-- From: "Austin Franklin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah, and the Atari did the same thing...before the Amiga! .. Two things: 1) I've said before, I'm not a "hardware head" nor an engineer ("but I play one on television"

filmscanners: Re: User base (was: Need feedback )

2001-03-08 Thread Lynn Allen
Jim Snyder wrote: That broad base of users with less than stellar skills will use the tabs and buttons regardless of where they are on the screen. I resemble that remark, Jim. ]:( I'd like to point out that it *is* a "broad base of users" (and no playing around with the words, Art), and since

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Alan Shaw
OK, now I've gone all the way to 1600x1200, but I find my Photoshop palettes, and the font used in them, have gotten rather tiny. I don't see an obvious way to fix this. Can you help? Thanks, Alan

Re: filmscanners: Q60

2001-03-08 Thread BHannaford
I don't know whether this is helpful for UK people looking for the Kodak Q-60 targets, but the targets can be ordered from Kodak at 1-800-234-0426. The 35mm Ektachrome target Q-60E3A, cat# 875 is available at $29 plus $10 shipping. The Kodak Kodachrome target, Q-60K1, cat# 1575141 costs

filmscanners: Re: Kodak RFS3600

2001-03-08 Thread OHa11oran
Thankyou for the mail Roger so if you don't recommend the kodak rfs3600 or the Polaroid (which is all there is in that specification/price bracket) do i go for one of the ~2600dpi scanners and wait to see what comes out next year??? I mainly want it for making submissions to online photo

RE: filmscanners: Grain aliasing webpage

2001-03-08 Thread Shough, Dean
I looked at the page on Grain alaising. I decided to do a patent search at http://www.delphion.com/advquery using "Applied Science Fiction" as the Assignee. This found 7 patents, but none related to grain or noise. After looking at a couple of the patents, I decided to search on the common

RE: filmscanners: OT: Co-processors Amiga

2001-03-08 Thread shAf
Autin writes ... Amiga had the patents on the co-processors, I find no patents given to Amiga for any co-processors. ... The patents were probably awarded to the small group from Los Gatos who invented the Amiga ... Commodore simply took over later and proceeded to provide no

AW: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Elmar Pinkhardt
Hello Alan, the size of the PS palettes and fonts can't be changed. I am afraid we have to live with it as it is. Elmar Pinkhardt Auf-dem-Kreuz 24 89073 Ulm Germany Tel: (0731)21905 0170 474 3369 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: filmscanners: Kodak RFS 3600

2001-03-08 Thread Sumtingwong
I have put roughly 500 negs through mine, most in rolls of 36. It will not choke on the 37th, you just have to start over: pre-scan the frame (if you want), and then scan away. At full resolution, it takes about 75 minutes to do a roll on a home built AMD K6II 450 Mhz with 384 megs. I use the

Re: filmscanners: Vuescan

2001-03-08 Thread Gordon Tassi
Besides you can get a free trial period from Ed and see it first hand. Gordon but I went to the website and was hoping to see some screen shots or something... any chance you could add some? you don't need screenshots,

RE: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE?

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
It's way more than an upgrade to NT. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
They don't increase in size when you set the font larger? Normal dialogs do. These are tool dialogs and if they don't resize with the font increase, I'd complain to Bill Gates. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From:

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
Perfect! I should do that. I even have a 17" Hitachi monitor that is going to waste in the garage. Too lazy to clean off the desk and make room for it! Actually, I'd probably have to buy another house to find the room to put the stuff on my desk to make room for the second monitor! Frank Paris

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
Funny guy... Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Austin Franklin Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners:

Re: filmscanners: Clarity! Dual Monitor Hell (Heaven!)

2001-03-08 Thread IronWorks
Embedding profiles in your images is a topic in and of itself - I would you suggest you first read Dan Margulis's Professional Photoshop book first (I don't know if the book is out for 6 yet or not). As for the difference in images between the two monitors, the first thing to do is to calibrate

Re: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE?

2001-03-08 Thread Rob Geraghty
Ed wrote: I was just getting ready to run out and spend $350 (?) on Win2K when I already have WinMe. What are the advantages to the 2K "pro" version besides the letters on the box? And who is it useful to? o Better memory management o less likely to crash (NT/Win2K has a much more stable

filmscanners: Re: Kodak RFS3600

2001-03-08 Thread RogerMillerPhoto
My apologies to everyone for not including the text of the message that I'm replying to, but I can't seem get AOL to include it when I send a reply. As a summary, Tony asked for comments on the Kodak RFS 3600 and I told him that Shutterbug magazine said the scanner was good but the software

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Elmar Pinkhardt Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution If you have a monitor with a maximum dot pitch of 0.24mm and

RE: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K?

2001-03-08 Thread Mark Thomas
Yes, there may be many good reasons for jumping to Win2K, but if you have any unsupported software or 'legacy' hardware, it may not be the best decision at all.. I would much rather read a list of reasons NOT to upgrade, from an unbiased source, before leaping! If I want to know the good

Re: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K? Does is manage color like W98SE?

2001-03-08 Thread IronWorks
WinMe is just Win98SE with more bells and whistles and a MS's limited version of a GoBack program. It's a fancier park, whereas Win2K is a rehabbed/rebuilt park. Maris - Original Message - From: "Rob Geraghty" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 8:50

Re: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K?

2001-03-08 Thread IronWorks
"Check Hardware and Software Compatibility" http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/upgrade/compat/default.asp Maris - Original Message - From: "Mark Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:57 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Anyone using Win2K?

RE: filmscanners: Clarity! Dual Monitor Hell (Heaven!)

2001-03-08 Thread Laurie Solomon
As for the difference in images between the two monitors, the first thing to do is to calibrate both monitors. I agree 100% If I am not mistaken, Adobe has within it a calibration mechanism from there on. Here I have to disagree at least in so far as Win 98 is concerned. On systems using Win

Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Berry Ives
on 3/8/01 8:17 PM, Frank Paris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Elmar Pinkhardt Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

Re: filmscanners: PS with dual CPUs, WAS: Re: Need feedback on VueScan Idea

2001-03-08 Thread Quoton
"Enoch's Vision, Inc. (Cary Enoch R...)" wrote: "Quoton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: down any more. However, Photoshop (5.5) is noticeably slower on Win2K than Win98. That's highly abnormal and indicative that something is not right with your Win2K installation. It could be any of a

Re: filmscanners: Kodak RFS 3600

2001-03-08 Thread kwiley
This month's Shutterbug has a review of the 3600. Reviewer's main complaint is with the software, including very small preview screens. Keith

RE: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution

2001-03-08 Thread Frank Paris
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Berry Ives Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: Puzzled about display resolution I also read about the triadic structure of each screen pixel, so