[filmscanners] RE: Printer drivers at 720ppi

2003-10-24 Thread
Bob Frost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 240 dpi is not all that is needed, because the Epson driver upsamples that (or any other dpi you send it) to 720 dpi (desktop printers), using Nearest Neighbour type upsampling. So 720 dpi is what is needed by the driver. Hi Bob, I was on the Epson list for

[filmscanners] RE: Printer drivers at 720ppi

2003-10-24 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was on the Epson list for a long time and this is the first time I've heard someone make this statement about the internal behaviour of the Epson driver. Can I ask where this knowledge comes from? In the past I found a formula written by Epson themselves which

[filmscanners] Re: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread Arthur Entlich
I'm guessing here, based upon what seems logical to me. I'm sure Austin knows a lot more about this stuff than I. Here's my best guess: I assume the sensor element responds as a unique unit, at the moment it gathers the light information, so I also assume it responds in some manner by generating

[filmscanners] Re: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread Arthur Entlich
Yes, you are correct. Art [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This didn't start out as a film vs digital comparison but a scanned film vs digital one. So both images have hard pixels. Unsubscribe by mail to

[filmscanners] Re: Ink-jet Print File Resolution; was: Pixels andPrints

2003-10-24 Thread Arthur Entlich
One question... If one sends the printer a 720 dpi file, does it not alter the file to create the dithering patterns, etc? In other words, does providing a 720 dpi file prevent up and down sampling and the damage the printer driver/spooler might cause to the image file? Art Austin Franklin

[filmscanners] RE: Printer drivers at 720ppi

2003-10-24 Thread Darrell
At the risk of redundancy (I posted this in the Pixels and Prints thread), I've posted this here just in case you are not following Pixels and Prints: Hi all I vaguely recalled seeing this explained, so it didn't take long to find this link http://www.ddisoftware.com/qimage/quality/ The Lanczos

[filmscanners] RE: Printer drivers at 720ppi

2003-10-24 Thread LAURIE SOLOMON
It is funny that you should mention the 240 figure; I also remember a long sdiscussion ont he old Leben Epson Inkjet printer list in which it was finally concluded that the 240 ppi/dpi number was the optimum resolution to send to the printer and any files greater than that were a waste of

[filmscanners] RE: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread LAURIE SOLOMON
Thanks Darrell! The link does offer some good information on the subject and does help answer some of the questions - even the recent one involving the 240ppi vrs 720 ppi numbers. According to the information on the document, all incoming resolutions except the printers native resolution are

[filmscanners] RE: Ink-jet Print File Resolution; was: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread LAURIE SOLOMON
Preston, You do raise some interesting questions. I have no doubt that Bob and others have read these claims as to the operative native printer resolutions for inkjets in official Epson literature and that they are not just numbers grabbed out of the air. I also have no problem with anyone

[filmscanners] RE: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread Darrell
I also suspect that the printer driver will always touch the binary data flow. It would have to for control of how and where the inks are laid down. There is also the issue of color gamut, though you do have some degree of control if you are using some color management solution that includes ICC

[filmscanners] RE: Printer drivers at 720ppi

2003-10-24 Thread Roger Smith
At 10:33 AM -0500 10/24/03, LAURIE SOLOMON wrote: It is funny that you should mention the 240 figure; I also remember a long sdiscussion ont he old Leben Epson Inkjet printer list in which it was finally concluded that the 240 ppi/dpi number was the optimum resolution to send to the printer and

[filmscanners] RE: Printer drivers at 720ppi

2003-10-24 Thread Laurie Solomon
Good, I am glad you not only confirmed my recollection but elucidated on it since I have reached an age where my memory chips may be beginning to fade. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:33 AM -0500 10/24/03, LAURIE SOLOMON wrote: It is funny that you should mention the 240 figure; I also

[filmscanners] RE: Ink-jet Print File Resolution; was: Pixels andPrints

2003-10-24 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: Arthur Entlich If one sends the printer a 720 dpi file, does it not alter the file to create the dithering patterns, etc? In other words, does providing a 720 dpi file prevent up and down sampling and the damage the printer driver/spooler might cause to the image file? Well, of

[filmscanners] was: Pixels and Prints NOW: proposed art show

2003-10-24 Thread Berry Ives
Here's an idea. I think all of us could agree to one thing, and that is: what finally matters is how good the print looks. (Okay, some folks only care about web published images, so you guys can get lost--no offense.) There needs to be an art show where what we are judging is the actual prints.

[filmscanners] RE: Printer drivers at 720ppi

2003-10-24 Thread
Ditto. I printed two sharp 8X10 images of a scanned flower image, one with no discernible parallel vertical lines. I printed one at 300 and one at 360 dpi on an Epson 2200. They were indistinguishable with a loupe. I would agree that it seems like the data are processed during the print process,

[filmscanners] Re: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread David J. Littleboy
Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because that's a different question. Someone argued that scanners produce better quality pixels because they measure all RGB, and I'm pointing out that this is wrong because scanned pixels are, in fact, worse than digital camera pixels. It's not

[filmscanners] RE: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread LAURIE SOLOMON
I also suspect that the printer driver will always touch the binary data flow. I am not sure that is in question. What may be in question is if the resampling of the incoming file to the native resolution is in effect that same sort of thing as the post interpetation processing of the data by

[filmscanners] RE: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread LAURIE SOLOMON
I just re-read what I wrote and see that it needs to be corrected to make it clearer and easier to read and understand. What may be in question is if the resampling of the incoming file to the native resolution is in effect that same sort of thing as the post interpetation processing of the data

[filmscanners] RE: Pixels and Prints

2003-10-24 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi David, Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because that's a different question. Someone argued that scanners produce better quality pixels because they measure all RGB, and I'm pointing out that this is wrong because scanned pixels are, in fact, worse than digital camera