On 4/17/02 1:29 PM, Todd Flashner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just when did esoterica become so vulgar in this society? Are we only sound
bite able now? If something can't be agreed upon quickly it's wasted time?
Is AGREEMENT better than truth, understanding, and knowledge? Is pleasantry
more
Peter,
Yes, I do have a web site. I also have posted many images over the years
that I personally took, developed and scanned. If you, or anyone, is
interested, I am happy to give you the URLs for them.
Austin
I'd love to take a look Austin. Having heard so much about that killer
On 2/26/02 12:53 PM, Austin Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Keep in mind these are 100DPI images on a computer monitor...in JPEG format.
FYI, my server is a Unix based server, and IS case sensitive.
If you really want to judge the Leaf for it's BW performance, I suggest you
get an
On 2/21/02 12:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How 'bout quick list of the probs?
TIA,
Mac
These are the issues I found.
Banding:
See http://www.lwsphoto.com/banding.htm
Soft focus at edges: don¹t have an example posted but might get around to
it.
Nikon scan clips
Now that is interesting. I understand the principle, but my experience, is
that drum scanners actually require more sharpening than high end CCDs...at
least that's what I've seen in scans I've done on both a Howtek 4500 and a
Leaf 45. Though I agree, what you say makes sense
I am trying to scan Plus-X 125 and Tri-X negs on my LS2000. The scans come
out with the tones either completely blocked up or burned out, with no
midtones
and no gradations of tones at all. You can't even make out the features in
the
images. These are well-exposed negatives that I've
On 11/25/01 7:29 PM, Peter Marquis-Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Relax Lawrence, it's OK. Here's a quote from Tony Sleep's mailing list
instructions: Posting encoded images is permitted if they are relevant, but
please keep file sizes below 80k. Use JPEG image encoding, and MIME
attachment.
I hate to say it this way, but that is just SO pathetic! From what I
understand, fixing it would require a firmware modification to both
calibrate three lines instead of one, and then to use three calibration
lines instead of one. Having written a LOT of embedded firmware, and
designed
Blah, blah, blah
I thought this was a SCANNER list. Could we take this whole thing off line.
It's clearly turned into another Austin Franklin platform for argument and
pedantry. I'm getting a blister on my DEL key finger
Lawrence
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Seems like you have done everything and also know everything.
ROTFLMAO
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They don't seem to
be available here in the States, but I hear LaCie monitors have an
excellent reputation. And perhaps there are some good things from
Mitsubishi, since I hear they licensed Sony's Trinitron class and
made some incremental improvements of their own.
LaCie's are available
You've got to be kidding. E6 the same everywhere? I've taken identical
shots one minute apart in consistant lighting on separate rolls and had
different labs process them. The results were VASTLY different. How much
experience have you had doing this? Labs make a HUGE difference.
Lawrence
Only a scan from the lab that processed the film correctly. I'm wasn't
about to scan the other one nor do i intend to take the time to scan it to
prove my point. I don't care if you don't agree.
Lawrence Smith
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Moreno,
I can do that too but isn't it a bit like saying 'my car doesn't stall as
long as I don't use 5th gear and go over 60 miles/km per hr'? These things
should not band, period.
Lawrence Smith
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I get
it in areas of blue/purple (think storm clouds) when scanning at 16x
multisampling and ICE on. When multisample is turned off, the problem
rarely occurs.
Lawrence
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I've seen this too rafe. In fact, it seem to be more distinct in the print
than on the screen.
Lawrence
What worries me a bit is that I've had cases where the
banding shows up on the (Epson) print, but is almost invisible
on the screen. And no, I'm not confusing it with the micro-
Chris claims that Nikon service has not recived a
unit for service, yet, for the banding problem.
That *may* possibly be true, if Lawrence's 1st 8000
went back to the retailer directly.
These guys need to get their story straight. I believe it was Chris I was
speaking with this morning
I've actually done this many times myself! I'd like to get a mac this time
(I've had 6 or 7 of them over the years and really prefer them to PCs but
that's a different story). That being said, I might just build a new PC and
save the $$. It would be a BIG improvement over what I'm using now no
Title: Re: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...
Itried this and i still get the banding.
Good idea though!
Lawrene
I
am not sure if this has been mentioned before, if so, sorry for repeating. Try
making a scan of the image that has banding with Nikons colour management
Rafe,
The multisampling is a big part of it. I can scan in normal mode with no
problems. Turn on the multisampling and banding galore!
Lawrnece
I'm wondering if your problems are exacerbated by the multi-
sampling you use. I never use it (multi-sampling, that is.)
rafe b.
My replacement 8000 was humming right along and I thought I was home free
but I scanned a slide with lots of deep blue/purple sky and sure enough,
banding galore. I have a tag to send it back to Nikon but I'm a bit
skeptical that it will make much difference at this point. If my wife were
not
I can and will!
Lawrence
Could You publish any image on your site with visible banding? I'm very
curious how it looks like.
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Here's an example of the banding. http://www.lwsphoto.com/banding.htm It
is EXACTLY the same as my previous 8000 had done.
Lawrence
Tony,
I think it is happening everywhere but is most obvious in the blue regions.
Lawrence
Do you think this is just showing banding which is happening
generally but
hard to see, or is it just in this area?
Regards
Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio
Title: RE: filmscanners: Link to Nikon 8000 banding example...
It's
really annoying. Rafe said his looked different. Do you still have
your SS120?
Lawrence
That's exactly the same as the banding I was getting.
Paul Wilson
I have checked and it is mostly in the blue channel. I notified tech
support of this but they continue to pretend that my problems are not
widespread. Bullsh*t...
Lawrence
You should check your individual channels in PS (make sure you
have them set
to display in grayscale in the
I do that as well. However, not all slides/negs need to be done that way.
Clearly there is a point of diminishing returns. BTW, I've had crappy drum
scans too. Really depends on the operator. My point was that they need to
be free of things like visible banding that make them look like
And as final thought, 30 minutes per image of scanning costs you real
time/money. Whatever saving you're achieving by not using
third-party drum
scanning is offset by you having to sit around feeding negs. What hourly
rate do you put on your time in the digital darkroom?
The digital
I've found something out. Thanks to Howard Slavitt who suggested to me that
the issue might actually be with the profile conversion I tried some various
settings. Heres what I have discovered. If I make individual adjustments
to the RGB channels in Nikonscan the banding appears. If I make no
I didn't think vuescan supports this scanner yet..
Lawrence
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Subject: filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Scratch the Gear Teeth
Well, just when you think you've made progress the scanner fools you. On
further testing I started getting bands without making any adjustments.
This is one strange machine. One thing is consistent however, the banding
is much worse at 16x. at 1x it is essentially invisible.
Lawrence
I've
I had that same
issue. They are supposed to be coming out with new carriers
sometime. I could not wait. I sent mine back and got another 8000
that works perfectly andI get to scan 2-4 as well as the first one
;-)
Lawrence
This has been brought up before, but I don't
rememberr a
David,
Thank you for your offer to help. it shut off one more time. It's now on
it's way back to BH for a return. I ended up going with the Nikon after
kicking the tires on both machines. I found that the marginal (if any)
gains in shadow detail were not worth the extra time I had to spend
All,
Well, my replacement 8000 just arrived and it's DOA. The mechanism that
grads the slide trays is totally dead. Some much for this unit. I'm on
hold with tech support even as we speak. The Imacon is looking better and
better. My SS120 shut itself off, my other 8000 had banding problems,
OK... it is working now. I shut it on and off several times and rebooted
my computer and suddenly it is feeding the trays. I am scanning an image to
see if it will have banding problems... will let you know!
Lawrence
Well, my replacement 8000 just arrived and it's DOA. The mechanism
LOL . I needed a good laugh! Thanks :-)
Lawrence
Your karma is really bad this week, Lawrence. Did you run over
a squirel
and forget to pray for its soul, or what?
OTOH, if you're an Aries, my week has gone sorta like that (last
week more
than this week, and the month before
What about the ls-4000?
I am waiting for Polaroid (or someone else) to release a 4000+dpi 35 mm
slide scanner with ICE^3. Looking at the current prices on the
SS4000 ($950
according to CNET) and the $200 rebate currently being offered, I expect
something soon.
Here's the latest. My SS120 is on it's way back to the vendor for a refund.
I am getting another 8000 tomorrow to try. Hopefully the banding issue will
be solved with this new one. It must be said that I REALLY like the SS120.
I was getting superb scans for the most part. I did have a slide
I think so too rafe. I can't really imagine them disappearing. But it does
bring a certain amount of uncertainty to the issue. As for the machines, it
was really a toss up. They are both great.
Lawrence
In all fairness, I suspect Polaroid will
find some way to continue operations.
This UPS works fine. Had it couple of years and it gets tested regularly.
Other equipment that has or is connected to it shows no abnormal behavior...
I am testing it off the UPS now to make sure...
Lawrence
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Some further details.. The scanner is contected to a UPS and so power
related problems should not be an issue.
The cords arer all snugly and completely seated.
It only happened once yesterday.
Lawrence i have the worst luck Smith
Wait a minute! Are you saying that I might NOT be smarter and richer than
the average Joe!? Damn, all this time those adds have been manipulating me
and i might just be an average schmoe after all. I think i'm going to
cry
Lawrence
They stroke
the egos of people who already made a
Am I cursed? In the last 24 hrs, I have done a bit of scanning with the
SS120. BTW, after I calibrated it using the Silverfast IT8, it is producing
colors that are nearly dead on, saturated, rich, wonderful colors! I have
however had some strange behavior from the scanner that I'm sure is not
David,
Thanks so much for offer. I will let you know if it happens again. Other
than this little problem, the scanner is really nice! The Silverfast with
IT8 really makes a HUGE difference in the scans... A great bundle, well
done.
Lawrence
Lawrence,
Not a problem we have experienced
I just posted a set of camparison scans by a SS120 and an 8000ED to my site
at http://www.lwsphoto.com/scan%20tests.htm
These are not a final conclusions, they are simply examples
I am a bit surprised by the results however.
Lawrence
I was expecting the sprintscan to be a bit sharper. The nikon was using ICE
to remove dust etc. and the SS120 does not. Even with the dust removal, the
Nikon scan is sharper. This is a bit of a surprise to me. Once again, I
must state that this is only one scan and I need to make sure that i
Ray,
my software ??!! did you write it for Nikon? If not, I hardly think it's
your software ;-) If you did then i have a few suggestions for you! I DO
live within a 100 miles of greensboro and i'd love to have you come over and
have a beer and i'll tell you how I think it could be
Rob,
I have sent my malfunctioning back to the vendor and they are getting me a
new one to try. Nikon tech support believes that I got one with a bad CCD.
Apparently there were a few (how many is a FEW?) that shipped with defective
CCD's in them. I will try the new one and if it so much as
After speaking with nikons tech support again this morning, i have now
decided to go with the Sprintscan 120. The second level support guys at
nikon seemed to think that the 'Fine' mode scanning was some kind of an
acceptable solution to the general banding issue. Not for me it's not.
Hopefully
My 120 is on it's way and I'm going to do some tests over the weekend.
Overall, I'm conviced that the 8000 is not ready for prime time (although
the Nikon folks would beg to differ). Although ICE is nice, I'm more
interested in the sharpest scans with the best shadow detail I can get. ICE
ain't
Tony,
No they didn't. However, the vendor I purchased it from called me yesterday
to tell me the Nikon Rep will have a unit for me on Monday. I still have
not decided whether i am going to swap it out of try a different kind of
scanner.
Lawrence
Did they send you their test scan with no
Doh! I hate when I do that. Thanks Rafe!
Lawrence
So what's to critique? It's beautiful.
OK, here's my critique:
You forgot the // after http: in the url you gave above.
rafe b.
Rafe,
What are your other settings for the 5 minute scans? I find that a 16x
multisample, 14bit, ICE normal scan of a 645 transpanency takes about 20-25
mintues
Lawrence
* Fast. 645 scans w/o ICE in about 5 minutes.
(on Athlon 700 MHz machine with 512 MB RAM)
Add about 50% more
I called and was qouted the higher price...
Lawrence
I saw this also and just assumed it was a misprint.
Have you verified that PC Connection's price is for real?
rafe b.
All,
I regularly post images to a critique page on my site. The current image is
one that I did using the new 8000. This particular scan does not have
visible banding (well that you can see on the screen anyway). If anyone
wants to take a look it's at http:www.lwsphoto.com Click on the
All,
My Nikon 8000ED arrived a few days ago and I discovered (much to my dismay)
that my scanner has a problem. I am getting distinct, regular horizontal
bands in my scans. I have sent Nikon tech support an example and this has
been forwarded to engineers in Japan. There are reports of this
Peter,
I got mine from State Street Direct Online. As for jumping in, I'd wait
till this issue is understood. It is a growing concern at Nikon. Pehaps
Rafe could jump in here and offer his experience. Rafe, are you on a Mac or
PC? Are you seeing any problems?
Lawrence
Lawrence--
I
LOL
Lawrence
I suppose if you figure in hard mechanical
shock (like in Austin's Land Rover) the
numbers might go down a bit. Time to fix
the potholes in your driveway, Austin,
or get new shock absorbers for that beast.
rafe b.
I just found out mine has shipped and will be here tomorrow
Lawrence
Yeah, I've got it. What do you suppose I've been
raving about for these last couple of weeks ?? :-)
I must have gotten lucky -- for once.
rafe b.
Rafe,
You got yours? Mine is still backordered... bummer.
Lawrence
http://www.lwsphoto.com
No, even better. 8000.
rafe b.
I've got a LS8000 on backorder. The 120 sounds great as well but I have a
LS2000 that has performed well and I like having the option to use ICE if I
want. With the 120, you don't have the option... It was a very hard
decision for me. I hope I've made the right one.
Lawrence
LOL... Good god. Some people REALLY like to hear/read themselves speak
don't they?
Lawrence
The CO2 expelled to get to this point has just brought my lawn, and 3
rhododendron back to life! ;-p
Todd
None of my usual suppliers has any. As soon as one does.
Lawrence
I am reliably informed that the Nikon 8000 scanner goes on sale
next week in
the UK.
Price around £2600 including sales tax (17.5%)
Anyone got one in the US yet?
Is Vuescan supporting yet Ed?
pg
All,
I could not find whether it is ok to post this sort of thing so if it is a
no-no I apologize.
I have a Nikon LS-2000 that I am going to sell. I thought I'd offer it here
before putting it on ebay. If anyone is interested please contact me off
list.
Lawrence Smith
http://lwsphoto.com
I'm hoping the new Nikons will help drive the price of these down to a place
where I could afford one!
Lawrence
http://www.lwsphoto.com
Please take a look at: http://www.imacon.dkand the
scanner Flextight
Photo or Polaroid.
This film scanners have not the Nikons problem with film
If this is true, I will cry big tears of joy...
Lawrence
Is this possible? This is the estimated price shown in the Nikon UK press
release appearing on Phil Askey's dpreview site. Visiting the
Nikon UK site
directly, I found a detailed description of the new scanner with price
specified
Great news. I've got the money aside to purchase a SS120 as soon as they
are available.
Lawrence
http://www.lwsphoto.com
Are there any people in here who actually shoot, or better still, sell,
photographs ?
I do
Lawrence
http://www.lwsphoto.com
All,
Any idea what a fair price for a used Flextight PrecisionII Scanner might
be? About 9 months old. I'm in the market for a better scanner and have
looked at these in the past but I hate to spend 15k for a new one.
Thanks,
Lawrence
http://www.lwsphoto.com
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