[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-04-25 Thread Tris Schuler
At 12:48 AM 3/27/2004 -0500, you wrote: Thanks to everyone who replied to my questions. :-) My conclusion is that sharpening is not really needed for sky/clouds, but that a small amount may be beneficial to offset scan-induced softening and/or to help minimize the effects of downsizing to jpegs.

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-26 Thread Ed Verkaik
Thanks to everyone who replied to my questions. :-) My conclusion is that sharpening is not really needed for sky/clouds, but that a small amount may be beneficial to offset scan-induced softening and/or to help minimize the effects of downsizing to jpegs. My workflow takes 55mb TIFFs down to

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Arthur Entlich
Well, if you insist then the answer is no. But I could have, if you allowed me to ;-) to make an argument otherwise. In general (I'm assuming these were captured with a CCD sensor) some unsharp masking benefits the image. However, you're the ones with the images, you know the application, and

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Arthur Entlich
Honestly, Ed, I would make up a few examples both unsharpened and sharpened to different degrees and ask someone who you trust for an opinion. I almost always use *some* USM even on softer edged subjects because it changes the contrast ratios a bit, and defines some edges where appropriate. But

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Arthur Entlich
Well, I did answer it ;-) And basically, I said the same thing, just in a LOT more words... now THAT's a slight reversal of roles ;-) Art Laurie Solomon wrote: I am not sure that that is an answerable question without actually seeing the various images. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread
In general (I'm assuming these were captured with a CCD sensor) some unsharp masking benefits the image. Seems to be true for color, and for scanners that scan BW as RGB...since they are using RGB filters, which are typically (more so the red, then the blue) the cause of smear (crosstalk) and

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Arthur Entlich
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone tried sharpening the channels individually for a color image? Since I don't do much color, I never thought of that before...but it seems like it might be advantageous, as you wouldn't lose as much detail in the sharper channels... Any thoughts on this?

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Laurie Solomon
Yes you did Art. the role reversal was refreashing. Apparently the posts pasted each other like ships in the night. I may have written my response the same time as you wrote yours; but for some reason mine took longer to get on the list. By the way, I received this post the same time as I

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Laurie Solomon
Art, While I am not refuting you, I wish to elaborate on one detail that you did not make real clear in your response so that others will not go away with a misunderstanding. A common trick of the trade is to convert the image to LAB, and then only sharpen the monochromic image, leaving the

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Laurie Solomon
Ëd, I can appreciate your requesting a third fresh opinion and am not chastising you for doing so. My response is based on the fact that clouds, as you suggest, typically are without sharp edges (blurry and fuzzy); but there are some types of clouds and some types of lighting conditions which

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Laurie Solomon
Paul, I did not realize that it could be used that way. I would think that such use would be really limited and dependent on the subject matter and what one wanted to do with it. While it might enhance localized contrasts, it is an uncontrolled enhancement of all local contrasts in the image as

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Arthur Entlich
Yeap, you're right. My terminology was sloppy. Thanks for the correction. Art Laurie Solomon wrote: Art, While I am not refuting you, I wish to elaborate on one detail that you did not make real clear in your response so that others will not go away with a misunderstanding. A common

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Clive Moss
Laurie Solomon said the following on 3/25/2004 11:29 AM: Paul, I did not realize that it could be used that way. I would think that such use would be really limited and dependent on the subject matter and what one wanted to do with it. While it might enhance localized contrasts, it is an

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-25 Thread Stan Schwartz
help avoid introducing sharpening artifacts into blue sky areas. Stan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-24 Thread Laurie Solomon
I am not sure that that is an answerable question without actually seeing the various images. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am seeking an opinion about the purpose for sharpening a certain type of image. I have a large batch of unsharpened scans of various cloud forms and skies. In most

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-24 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: Ed Verkaik I am seeking an opinion about the purpose for sharpening a certain type of image. I have a large batch of unsharpened scans of various cloud forms and skies. In most cases ground detail is minimal or dark. Do you think there is any merit to doing any sharpening to this

[filmscanners] Re: another Sharpening question

2004-03-24 Thread Ed Verkaik
From: Laurie Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not sure that that is an answerable question without actually seeing the various images. Just imagine a typical sky -- either one with cloud elements and blue sections, or cloudy with varyiong degree of light and dark areas (stormy sky). Surely there

[filmscanners] RE: another Sharpening question

2004-03-24 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
From: Ed Verkaik Just imagine a typical sky -- either one with cloud elements and blue sections, or cloudy with varyiong degree of light and dark areas (stormy sky). Surely there are generalizations we could apply to such subjects? I always assumed that since clouds have no natural