Bruce Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've seen this site as well. Shocking images, true, but I haven't
seen
> the problem myself.

The effect was a lot more mild than I expected.  From the noises being made
on the inkjet list, it sounded like the end of the world - but then if I had
sold a
print for a large amount of money and the client returned it due to orange
shifts, I'd be worried too.

> I've used Photo Paper and Premium Glossy Photo Paper and
> not seen anything even vaguely like these examples. I take it from your
> response that you are experiencing these colour shift problems Rob?

We've printed on EPP but not PGPP, and not noticed the shift - but it can
be so slight that you really need a test like the one where half the image
is covered to show it.  Maybe North America inherently has more atmospheric
ozone?
My own printer is a 700 but we have a 1270 at work.  The 700 inks fade, but
don't orange shift. ;)

> My question was not who has heard of the problem so much as who has
actually
> experienced them. It seems to me that there are a few people making a lot
of
> noise.

My impression is that there's a small number of professional users who are
very
picky that have started a panic amongst non-professional users.  For those
professional users or anyone who wants to sell the prints they make, it's a
major issue.  It's less of an issue for others - unless they have a
particularly
high ozone environment and don't frame their prints behind glass.

Regardless, I think Epson is making a mistake if they don't reformulate the
ink as well as the paper.

> I'll wait a few months longer before I make my own assessment I guess.
I've
> only had the printer about 3 months. Also, the new paper is due out
> soon(ish) and that may help alleviate the problem. Needless to say I'm
> keeping my paper purchases to a minimum for a while!

I was suprised to see that Harvey Norman in Brisbane is still selling PGPP.

Anyway, this is OT and should go to the Epson list (oh god no) if anywhere.
No sign of the bandwidth wastage there settling down.  How many times
can you state and restate the same thing?

Rob



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