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From: rafeb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 01:11 PM 7/16/01 -0400, Dave King wrote:
>
> >I disagree with him (Margulis) on one point however, and I consider
> >myself a color balance freak. Why? In an "average" color
photograph,
> >global color contrast is maximized at o
Well,
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I have altered my work habits a little based on them. For now I am going to
be shooting Fugi HG 100 most of the time until I feel I have most the
variables under predictable control. (I will still shoot a roll of Provia
100F occasionally, just for the thrill
> It should have read, "and we like to incorporate it into our machines."
>
> And it is moving into both our machines and their programming. Often in
> areas where physical devices need to be moved through a continuous
> range, an example would be auto focus devices where the programming
> makes
It should have read, "and we like to incorporate it into our machines."
And it is moving into both our machines and their programming. Often in
areas where physical devices need to be moved through a continuous
range, an example would be auto focus devices where the programming
makes assumption
> Art wrote:
>
>We require "fuzzy logic", and we incorporate it into our machines
What machines, do you believe, has "fuzzy logic" incorporated into them?
x27;m pretty sure it would take a *lot* longer), but you don't
know what the satisfaction of hearing that "purring machine" is, until
you've done it. I allus say. :-)
Best regards--LRA
>From: Arthur Entlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Rafe wrote:
>>Dan insists that you could use a monochrome monitor
>to do color corrections. Now, I admit I haven't
>tried that. But it is quite a provocative claim,
>and follows logically from Dan's numerical approach.
This is absolutely true--if you've been trained in the classic (largely O
Tony wrote:
>You misheard. They said 'hostility'.
That's what they 'said,' of course, but not what they "said."
Point remains. :-)
Best regards--LRA
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:11:21 -0400 rafeb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> So, maybe it's not for everybody. If you have clients
> with specific demands for color accuracy, you may need to
> go with the more mainstream, ICC-sanctioned methods.
If only they were! Half the trouble is that designers
I find you comments about analogue "feel" very interesting , as I just
wrote a reply in the "other" scan list that I think I will post here as
a result. I think this is called convergence. ;-)
Actually, I just realized, that Dave wrote the comments I am replying
to in both lists...
Humans do n
At 01:11 PM 7/16/01 -0400, Dave King wrote:
>I disagree with him (Margulis) on one point however, and I consider
>myself a color balance freak. Why? In an "average" color photograph,
>global color contrast is maximized at one point only -- the most
>"accurate" color balance possible for that sc
On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:59:52 - Lynn Allen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> "Get out!! This is a *'Non-Smoking'* Hospitality
> Room!!!"
You misheard. They said 'hostility'.
Regards
Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info
& comparisons
Dave wrote:
>Margulis may well be a genius, and so perhaps Austin would like
him -- they could go to Mensa meetings together. :)
Some years ago, I was "thrown out" of a Mensa convention gathering I'd
wandered into with a cigarette in my hand (just to say "hi" to a friend), to
many angry shout
- Original Message -
From: Austin Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started
question
> > >>>> He issued a challenge
> > >>>>
]>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started
question
> Please don't let his arrogance turn you off - he knows what he's
talking
> about to the nth degree. His specialty is color correction, and I
would
> venture to
> on 7/15/01 5:37 AM, Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
> > Lastly, I have found the amount of USM you can get away with
depends
> > upon the scanner and the film in use. If the scanner or film
tends to
> > exaggerate grain, defects, or noise, you can't go to far with USM,
> > because
> > these are indeed
>That is a great suggestion! I would never have thought of it - I am off to
>eBay and Google! I would love to be able to practice while using Provia
>100F!
I have been away from the list for awhile, so if somebody has already
mentioned this, please forgive me.
In my experience, the film mostly
Austin, I'm drained from this. I have one short comment below, and then I'm
done for now.
>> He issued a challenge
>> (as he often
>> does) to these consultants to provide details of press shops
who are using
>> color management, AKA profiles, for their press, and no
>> consu
> He issued a challenge
> (as he often
> does) to these consultants to provide details of press shops
> >> who are using
> color management, AKA profiles, for their press, and no
> consultant (if
> anyone would know it would be they, as they'd be setting
> them up) could
>
ly 14, 2001 12:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: filmscanners: Getting started question
>
>
> > just takes longer to learn how to scan negs with good consistent
> > results.
> >
> > --James Hill
>
> I will second that - using negatives with Mirafot
on 7/15/01 10:27 PM, Austin Franklin wrote:
He issued a challenge
(as he often
does) to these consultants to provide details of press shops
>> who are using
color management, AKA profiles, for their press, and no consultant (if
anyone would know it would be they, as they'
> >> He issued a challenge
> >> (as he often
> >> does) to these consultants to provide details of press shops
> who are using
> >> color management, AKA profiles, for their press, and no consultant (if
> >> anyone would know it would be they, as they'd be setting them up) could
> >> offer any.
>
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started question
| on 7/15/01 2:31 PM, Austin Franklin wrote:
|
| >> He issued a challenge
| >> (as he often
| >> does) to these consultants
on 7/15/01 2:31 PM, Austin Franklin wrote:
>> He issued a challenge
>> (as he often
>> does) to these consultants to provide details of press shops who are using
>> color management, AKA profiles, for their press, and no consultant (if
>> anyone would know it would be they, as they'd be setting t
At 01:10 PM 7/15/01 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> That's not being a Luddite, that's being a cheap bastard.
>
>I think they are not mutually exclusive ;-)
>
>> As with your Leafscan, I've compared the output of this
>> "lense" to my newer and more expensive zooms, and found
>> the latter lacking by compa
> He issued a challenge
> (as he often
> does) to these consultants to provide details of press shops who are using
> color management, AKA profiles, for their press, and no consultant (if
> anyone would know it would be they, as they'd be setting them up) could
> offer any.
And you gave me a ha
on 7/15/01 9:10 AM, rafeb wrote:
>> But, one thing you should know, his emphasis is on color work destined for
>> press. However, if you are interested in the architecture of Photoshop, in
>> my humble estimation, he's the Dean of the university.
>
> .. but not necessarily the Color Management D
> That's not being a Luddite, that's being a cheap bastard.
I think they are not mutually exclusive ;-)
> As with your Leafscan, I've compared the output of this
> "lense" to my newer and more expensive zooms, and found
> the latter lacking by comparison. I am content to give
> up auto-focus f
y, July 14, 2001 11:15 PM
> Subject: RE: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started question
>
>
> |
> | > One article is online at http://www.ledet.com/margulis/Sharpen.pdf
> |
> | I haven't read enough to know if this guy Margulis knows what
> he's talki
At 11:11 AM 7/15/01 -0400, Austin wrote:
>On the other hand, speaking of Luddites, what about that ZOOM lense...what
>was the brand name of that?
That's not being a Luddite, that's being a cheap bastard.
As with your Leafscan, I've compared the output of this
"lense" to my newer and more expe
At 10:18 AM 7/15/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Please don't let his arrogance turn you off - he knows what he's talking
>about to the nth degree. His specialty is color correction, and I would
>venture to suggest that the vast majority of graphics amateurs and
>professionals have read his book and use w
They are online at the ledet site -
http://www.ledet.com/margulis/articles.html
Maris
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From: "rafeb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started
im.
Maris
- Original Message -
From: "Austin Franklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started question
|
| > One article is online at http://www.ledet.com/marg
> Knowing what I know of Austin, I agree. I'd
> proudly include Austin among my favorite high-
> tech Luddites. Anyone that swears by and uses
> a ten-year old film scanner is worthy of membership.
Well, Rafe, in my favor ;-) there isn't a scanner available for near the
price of the "ten-year o
At 02:37 AM 7/15/01 -0700, Art wrote:
>Also, you should know that USM usually looks more intense on your screen
>(for images to be printed) than it does during the actual printing
>process, due to the nature of the dithering process. So it can look
>a bit exaggerated on the image on the screen (a
At 07:44 AM 7/15/01 -0400, Todd wrote:
>Austin,
>
>You are doing yourself a great injustice to dismiss the work of Margulis
>based upon his style. He is an iconoclast who bases his approach on what
>works in the real world, as opposed to the theoretical, and is hell bent on
>dismantling many of ou
on 7/15/01 5:37 AM, Arthur Entlich wrote:
> Lastly, I have found the amount of USM you can get away with depends
> upon the scanner and the film in use. If the scanner or film tends to
> exaggerate grain, defects, or noise, you can't go to far with USM,
> because
> these are indeed the types o
Yes, the issue is not just the percentage. You will note, if you play
with USM, that all three settings are involved in the degree of USM
that's visible.
If you decrease the radius, let's say to under 1, you can boost the
percent to several hundred before you see any obvious artifacts from the
p
Austin,
You are doing yourself a great injustice to dismiss the work of Margulis
based upon his style. He is an iconoclast who bases his approach on what
works in the real world, as opposed to the theoretical, and is hell bent on
dismantling many of our conventional wisdoms, and the pundits who s
At 12:15 AM 7/15/01 -0400, Austin wrote:
>
>> One article is online at http://www.ledet.com/margulis/Sharpen.pdf
>
>I haven't read enough to know if this guy Margulis knows what he's talking
>about or not, but to quote from one of his articles:
>
>"Anyone who thinks that if a fine screen is good,
> One article is online at http://www.ledet.com/margulis/Sharpen.pdf
I haven't read enough to know if this guy Margulis knows what he's talking
about or not, but to quote from one of his articles:
"Anyone who thinks that if a fine screen is good, than a finer one must be
better is a moron."
Ri
One article is online at http://www.ledet.com/margulis/Sharpen.pdf
Maris
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From: "rafeb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started question
4, 2001 4:28 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Unsharp mask was Re: filmscanners: Getting started question
>
>
> "Frank Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > something I CAN do to it - they are coming out almost perfect. The
> scariest
> > part
At 08:28 AM 7/15/01 +1000, Rob wrote:
>Gad, unsharp mask over 100%? I've been using a radius of 2.0 and only 60%.
>Is there something I'm seriously missing about USM?
Using the USM tool is a black art. Dan Margulis has written
some great articles about using this tool most effectively.
I be
>Gad, unsharp mask over 100%? I've been using a radius of 2.0 and only 60%.
>Is there something I'm seriously missing about USM?
As part of a rather convoluted sharpening methodology I've developed, my
USM settings are generally in the range of 500/.15 to 1.5/0 ... sounds
weird, I know, but in c
"Frank Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> something I CAN do to it - they are coming out almost perfect. The
scariest
> part so far has been trying to figure out the USM to use. These are Provia
> 100F slides scanned at 2700 DPI on my Scanwit and they look a bit "soft".
> However, where I norma
Hi Frank--
>A nice feature of Denver is they have literally hundreds of very well
>maintained-wooded parks - almost every neighborhood has one. So we are
>making a list and have challenged ourselves to shoot every park in Denver!
A noble endeavor! :-) Now let me give you *another* reason to bu
On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:20:59 -0600 Frank Nichols ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> Questions: (from a scanning perspective)
>
> 1. Should I be using cheap film/processing during this learning phase
> or is
> this a bad thing which will cause me to develop bad habits?
>
> 2.Should I be sticking to
Frank wrote:
>1. Should I be using cheap film/processing during this learning phase or is
this a bad thing which will cause me to develop bad habits?
Cheap film doesn't act that much differently from ordinary film, except that
the Quality Control isn't as good. The single caution I would make,
>After one roll of Provia 100F and a earlier suggestion that I can buy it
>out-of-date for less than consumer negative film, I think that is the way I
>am going to go. I need to find someone locally in Denver that can develop it
>for me - the shop I am using sends it out and it takes a week - I ha
> just takes longer to learn how to scan negs with good consistent
> results.
>
> --James Hill
I will second that - using negatives with Mirafoto it seems like I had to
work forever on every scan, then with Vuescan it was just 1/2 forever (maybe
1/4) :-).
But scanning the slides I am spending mo
> I wish I had the discipline to shoot that much for practice's
> sake. I could
> certainly use it.
>
> Pat
After one roll of Provia 100F and a earlier suggestion that I can buy it
out-of-date for less than consumer negative film, I think that is the way I
am going to go. I need to find someone
At 07:15 PM 7/13/01 -0700, Pat Perez wrote:
>I'd suggest using slide film for learning. It is less expensive to process,
>and you can see the actual result, not having to guess what is on the film,
>as you would with negatives.
>
>I wish I had the discipline to shoot that much for practice's sake
For once-in-a-lifetime opportunities, I always use fresh film but for
screwing around or more casual shooting, I'll use outdated film. If you
shop around, you should be able to buy it for half price (or less ... over
the past four months, I've successfully purchased 120 rolls of Fuji Provia
1
I know you said your budget was limited, but why not keep an eye out for a
secondhand camera body (with the same lens mount), and keep the best camera
loaded with better film?
MarkT
I know - I attend a lot of auctions and last night I passed on a Pentax
Spotmatic with a 1.4/50mm lense in m
I'll combine the slide film recommendation with the out of date film
recommendation. I was able to purchase about 50 rolls of Kodak 400
Elite Chrome for pennies a roll. 1 year out of date and it's not a
great film to start with, but it has helped me to understand all the
nuances of controlling e
- Original Message -
From: "Frank Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Filmscanners@Halftone. Co. Uk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: filmscanners: Getting started question
[snipped]
| 1. Should I be using cheap film/processing during this learning phase or
"Frank Nichols" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am just starting out with both photography and scanning. I am on a very
> limited budget, so I am using my wife's Canon EOS Rebel 2000 and an Acer
> Scanwit 2720s.
[snip]
> 1. Should I be using cheap film/processing during this learning phase or
is
>
At 02:20 PM 13/07/01 -0600, Frank wrote:
>Questions: (from a scanning perspective)
>1. Should I be using cheap film/processing during this learning phase or is
>this a bad thing which will cause me to develop bad habits?
I think your approach is fine. The only drawback is that if you're like
me
>1. Should I be using cheap film/processing during this learning phase or is
>this a bad thing which will cause me to develop bad habits?
Why not use outdated film? If the film's been stored properly, it's
usually good for several months (and sometimes even several years!) past
its expiration da
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