Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-10 Thread Tony Sleep
On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:20:32 -0500 SKID Photography ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If you claim that 'scans', are not of the grain of the film, I don't understand where the scanner is getting it's information from. For once I agree with Austin :-) The scanner sees only luminance and

RE: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-08 Thread Austin Franklin
Austin, I guess we are back to my original disclaimer about not being able to discuss this. If you claim that 'scans', are not of the grain of the film, I don't understand where the scanner is getting it's information from. Harvey, You are obviously not understanding what I am saying. A

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-07 Thread SKID Photography
Todd Flashner wrote: To Austin: I think Harvey's point is that there may come a situation where someone wants a sharp scan of a blurry image. Why not, it's art! ;-) What I was trying to say was that a scan of a negative (let's say BW) *is* a scan of its grain. If the scanner can't get the

RE: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-07 Thread Austin Franklin
Harvey, What I was trying to say was that a scan of a negative (let's say BW) *is* a scan of its grain. If the scanner can't get the grain sharply rendered then it can't make a sharp scan. You can get sharp scans and NOT scan down to the film grain. In fact, most scanners do not resolve

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-07 Thread SKID Photography
Austin, I guess we are back to my original disclaimer about not being able to discuss this. If you claim that 'scans', are not of the grain of the film, I don't understand where the scanner is getting it's information from. If you insist that in this field (photography) a 'Holga' image is

RE: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-06 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi Harvey, HI scan 35mm at 5080 and do not sharpen at all. I also shoot with Leica and Contax (Zeiss) glass, as well as develop my own film, so I can control the quality of the development. Aren't 'sharp' images on film a different issue than sharp scans? Yes, but your scans won't

RE: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-06 Thread michael shaffer
Austin writes ... And aren't higher bit level scans sharper than lower bit ones? No. In fact, they would be softer, since there are more tonal levels. Sharpness is really nothing but contrast, as in difference in tonal values. I don't agree!! What you are implying is ... because

RE: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-06 Thread Austin Franklin
Austin writes ... And aren't higher bit level scans sharper than lower bit ones? No. In fact, they would be softer, since there are more tonal levels. Sharpness is really nothing but contrast, as in difference in tonal values. I don't agree!! What you are implying is

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-06 Thread SKID Photography
Austin Franklin wrote: Hi Harvey, HI scan 35mm at 5080 and do not sharpen at all. I also shoot with Leica and Contax (Zeiss) glass, as well as develop my own film, so I can control the quality of the development. Aren't 'sharp' images on film a different issue than sharp

RE: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-06 Thread Austin Franklin
Harvey, So, I still maintain, that in *this* discussion, the sharpness of the original has no bearing on the need to sharpen scans for printing. For YOUR purposes, if you want to shoot a Holga and scan grain, that's fine...but most people 1) don't do that and 2) don't do that...so how is

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-06 Thread SKID Photography
Austin, After reading your reply, I see no point in continuing this discussion. Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID Photography, NYC Harvey, So, I still maintain, that in *this* discussion, the sharpness of the original has no bearing on the need to sharpen scans for printing. For

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-06 Thread Todd Flashner
To Austin: I think Harvey's point is that there may come a situation where someone wants a sharp scan of a blurry image. Why not, it's art! ;-) Austin wrote: You must be referring to color. I only talk about BW, and there is no inherent flaw in scanning BW, if you do not scan BW in RGB. The

filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-05 Thread Chris Hargens
I'm curious to know if those who scan and print 35mm negs --using a 3600 dpi scanner and above --typically sharpen their scanned images before printing. Also, do drum scans require less sharpening? Chris Hargens

RE: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-05 Thread Austin Franklin
Hi Chris, I'm curious to know if those who scan and print 35mm negs --using a 3600 dpi scanner and above -- typically sharpen their scanned images before printing. I scan 35mm at 5080 and do not sharpen at all. I also shoot with Leica and Contax (Zeiss) glass, as well as develop my own film,

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-05 Thread SKID Photography
Austin Franklin wrote: HI scan 35mm at 5080 and do not sharpen at all. I also shoot with Leica and Contax (Zeiss) glass, as well as develop my own film, so I can control the quality of the development. Aren't 'sharp' images on film a different issue than sharp scans? And aren't higher bit

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-05 Thread Ezio c/o TIN
, December 06, 2001 3:25 AM Subject: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing I'm curious to know if those who scan and print 35mm negs --using a 3600 dpi scanner and above --typically sharpen their scanned images before printing. Also, do drum scans require less

Re: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing

2001-12-05 Thread Op's
: Chris Hargens To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 3:25 AM Subject: filmscanners: Sharpening scanned images for printing I'm curious to know if those who scan and print 35mm negs --using a 3600 dpi scanner and above -- typically sharpen their scanned images before printing. Also