I am intending to get a new computer next year. I have read horror stories
of problems with Windows XP and Music programs. Does it work OK with Finale?
David McKay
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jef: I am enjoying the discussion and learning from it, and by no means
arguing for the sake of argument. You and I obviously have very different
musical backgrounds.
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>how important is notation to pop and rock music? to the musicians cutting
>discs on sony, it isn't at all. to the majority
me:> Atonal music is listened to exactly as other music, because it works
in the same way, through an artful manipulation of the tension
between expectation and surprise.
I don't think that's an ample explanation of how we listen, because it
doesn't take into account the fact that we can memo
At 2:32 PM 11/16/02, Mark D. Lew wrote:
>Lumping everything that one doesn't like into a single category is hardly
>uncommon. In fact, I'd say it's a basic part of the human condition.
>Consider religion or foreign policy, among other things.
Re-reading my own message here, I just realized what do
At 11:08 AM 11/16/02, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>Tonality is not the opposite of atonality. I find it highly ironic
>that most of the people who use the term this way don't care for
>atonal music, but are by this usage conceding it an empire that it
>does not govern nor ever claimed.
Lumping everythi
For the second half I recommend _Music Since 1945_ by Elliott Schwartz and
Daniel Godfrey, Schirmer Books.
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From: "Susan Lackman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Finale List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: [Finale] TAN: 20th Century Textb
>I also have wondered for a long time about the word "atonal." I can't
>figure out any meaningful definition for it that includes how the
>listener would hear it, which I would have to try to take into
>consideration.
>
>Christopher
The textbook definition is that it is music with no tonal center,
I know this may a bit of an odd question - but does anyone happen to
have the physical layout (.jpg or otherwise) of the Instrumentation of
the London Symphony? I'm working a bit with the Edirol HQ Orchestral
Synth and it allows you to setup Instrumentation according to layout and
since the LS is m
On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 11:25 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Darcy:
I would beg to quibble with the rock=pop part of your equation.
I have never seen a record store anywhere that stored "rock" and "pop"
in different sections.
Actually, I understand that's quite common in England, w
Hi!
This is totally off the subject, but does anyone have a
recommendation for a good text for an undergraduate 20th century music
class?
I haven't taught it in aeons, since the time when we were in the 20th
century. (I remember when Machlis was up-to-date . . .)
Thanks!
Susan
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I am copying "Have yourself a merry little Christmas" for a soprano who
finds the the frst note a bit low (this version is in A major). The
notation consist of a piano part with the lyrics between the staves and
chords over the rigt hand. Being a European, this song isn't in my
repertoire.
Somewher
From: "gj.berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>If this were a Venn diagram obviously all previous music would relate
>and 20th C. -Western art would be in a category by itself.
only if the music can be reduced so much that it is understood and appreciated ONLY
through a specific set of tonal harmonic stan
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From: Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have never seen a record store anywhere that stored "rock" and
> "pop" in different sections.
What?!? I have never seen a record store anywhere that stored rock and pop
in the same section!
I think that one of the best p
On 16 Nov 2002 at 11:08, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> But none of these things are true, not to any educated musician. To
> use the words "tonal" and "tonality" to refer to the entire musical
> universe except for the relative handful of pieces that are atonal is
> useless, even ridiculous. It's as i
Andrew Stiller wrote:
> Atonal music is listened to exactly as other music, because it works
> in the same way, through an artful manipulation of the tension
> between expectation and surprise.
I don't think that's an ample explanation of how we listen, because it
doesn't take into account the fa
On 16 Nov 2002 at 7:28, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I agree that tonal music isn't just a single dominant-tonic
> relationship, but rather chord usage where each chord implies a
> tonality. If there are more than one tonality implied during the course
> of a song, there is no basic difference (in
Le samedi, 16 nov 2002, à 09:56 America/Montreal, Richard Yates a écrit
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Hasn't it been an awfully long time since the Fin2003 was released
without
there having been a maintenance release to fix the bugs that crept in?
Richard Yates
And god knows that there are many things to be fixed. Fina
Dear folks,
As you can see we can't agree on single definitions of the words
'tonality' and 'atonality'. This makes both terms very difficult to
use in describing different kinds of music. According to the most
broad definition, gamelan music and the Tristan Prelude of Wagner are
both tonal, b
Hasn't it been an awfully long time since the Fin2003 was released without
there having been a maintenance release to fix the bugs that crept in?
Richard Yates
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At 8:42 PM 11/15/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
I also have wondered for a long time about the word "atonal." I can't
figure out any meaningful definition for it that includes how the
listener would hear it, which I would have to try to take into
>consideration.
Atonal music is listened to
Darcy:
I would beg to quibble with the rock=pop part of your equation.
I have never seen a record store anywhere that stored "rock" and
"pop" in different sections.
I concede that terminology may be evolving, but for this aging
boomer, all the popular music created today except for rap/hip-
Andrew Stiller wrote:
[snip]
Rock (of which Pop, for the past 40 years, is a synonym, not a
different genre) is not tonal. Triadic yes, diatonic yes, but not
tonal. A genre in which one may cadence with any progression at all
*except* the authentic, may end on a suspension or a seventh chord,
Row, row, row, row, your boat.
Gently, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life O life is but a dream.
That'll be $50 US<<
That's funny.
Actually, it might not be a bad idea. The actors do much better with songs
they already know/
Crystal Premo
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From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Key tonality
>and functional harmony are alive and well in the marketplace, including
>Broadway, Country, Pop, Rock in its miriad forms, Jazz, and virtually all
>church music and educational music.
you might want to have a look at the catalogues of various m
You want 5/4 - you make 5/4
Row, row, row, row, your boat.
Gently, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life O life is but a dream.
That'll be $50 US
Thanx
Jerry Berg
shirling & neueweise wrote:
There's also a song by
Sting called 'Seven days' that
Well this is all a pretty mess. Thanks Andrew!
If this were a Venn diagram obviously all previous music would relate
and 20th C. -Western art would be in a category by itself.
The binding factor for the rest would be the forming of a relationship
to the harmonic series.
Having to then extract
I agree that tonal music isn't just a single dominant-tonic
relationship, but rather chord usage where each chord implies a
tonality. If there are more than one tonality implied during the course
of a song, there is no basic difference (in my mind) from music which
has modulations but remains
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