bait and you're accordingly not giving in? I mean, where
would you even start anyway...
Stu
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At 4:14 PM -0500 11/21/02, Stu McIntire wrote:
Ok, it's been all day and the silence is deafening! Or does everyone but me
know this is just bait and you're accordingly not giving in? I mean, where
would you even start anyway...
Stu
Go right ahead. I'm a little busy right now...
Christopher
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> At 9:19 AM -0500 11/10/02, Denni
On 2002/11/10 10:16 PM or thereabouts, Christopher BJ Smith
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> At 5:24 PM -0500 11/10/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>>
>> Now that we got that out of the way, the idea of "definitiveness" or
>> "specificity" is absolutely central to composition in the 19th
>> century.
>
At 5:24 PM -0500 11/10/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Now that we got that out of the way, the idea of "definitiveness" or
"specificity" is absolutely central to composition in the 19th
century.
Sure. But is it central to composition in other times and places? If
one wants a good (read, applic
My personal definition has been a songwriter writes music that is to be sung
and a composer writes music that is to be played on an instrument.
But sometimes when I say composer, my definition is a lyric writer writes
the part of the music that is to be sung and a composer writes the part that
is
On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 10:12 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 12:56 AM -0500 11/10/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 12:10 AM, Linda Worsley wrote:
However, Brian Wilson, Stevie Wonder, Prince, et al. ARE
songwriters. I don't choose to call them comp
Irving Mills is apparently one such composer! He left EVERYTHING,
including the creation of the melody and the harmony and the lyrics and
the performance details and the orchestration to that other dude in the
composer-credit line, Duke Ellington!
Just calling a person a composer doesn't make
At 9:19 AM -0500 11/10/02, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
snip
But those are all notational methods (so fall under the original question
of who-is-a-composer), without even addressing the less theoretical and
more significant area under constant discussion on the CECDiscuss list.
Since electroacou
At 12:56 AM -0500 11/10/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 12:10 AM, Linda Worsley wrote:
However, Brian Wilson, Stevie Wonder, Prince, et al. ARE
songwriters. I don't choose to call them composers. Hell, I don't
even call Irving Berlin a "composer".
Well, no, of
At 08:19 AM 11/10/02 -0500, David H. Bailey wrote:
>But then if Mingus sang the person's part to him/her with the intention
>of them NOT playing it exactly as sung, how far away from what was
>originally sung were they allowed to get? And as soon as that person
>played something different, even
At 10:32 PM -0800 11/9/02, Mark D. Lew wrote:
With the drivel writers,
"editing" is much less satisfying, and I confess that for them I'm more
inclined to just copy what they've got on the page.
Yeah, I've come to that as well.
Thanks for a lively debate and a lot of good arguments!
Linda
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At 9:10 PM 11/09/02, Linda Worsley wrote:
>Someone else mentioned people for whom notating things is difficult
>and they have an "editor" (or more likely "collaborator") to take
>some of the work load. That's fine, too... They are composers who
>hire people to do some of the endgame not so heavy
On Sunday, November 10, 2002, at 12:10 AM, Linda Worsley wrote:
At 1:15 PM -0500 11/9/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
This is akin to other annoying semantic disputes like "What is jazz?"
Linda seems to want to use the word "composer" as an indicator of
quality as well as a descriptive term.
At 1:15 PM -0500 11/9/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
This is akin to other annoying semantic disputes like "What is
jazz?" Linda seems to want to use the word "composer" as an
indicator of quality as well as a descriptive term. Her definition
would relegate brilliant composers like Brian Wilson
At 1:15 PM -0500 11/9/02, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Good lord, what on earth does Billie's suitability as a "role model"
have to do with anything?
When you are dealing with fourth through sixth graders, it has a lot
to do with it. She is "contemporary" enough, and has a sordid enough
story th
This is akin to other annoying semantic disputes like "What is jazz?"
Linda seems to want to use the word "composer" as an indicator of
quality as well as a descriptive term. Her definition would relegate
brilliant composers like Brian Wilson, Stevie Wonder, Prince, etc to
the status of "nood
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