Sorry, Noel, but I have no patience for wasting any more of my time
trying to convince you of the obvious. You've made up your mind and
you're not going to change.
--
David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~
Yeah, please do, esp. if it's a Fin File I'm very curious, about
the print quality as well as the compatibility issue.
Thanks again,
Dean
On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Well, in the world of HP printers, I was
Whoa, I just checked out the prices on the HP 5000 series ... they
presently start at around $1400. If I thought I could justify that
to my wife, I'd probably do it, however, if the $200 to $300 range
printer will give me the quality my old Apple Laserwriter did, I'd
be ok with that. Ah
On Oct 20, 2005, at 8:40 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Well, in the world of HP printers, I was looking at the HP 1022
(about $200),
Dean,
They just got me one of these for my office at the university. It
arrived a couple of days ago, but I have yet to print anything with
it. If I get
Well, in the world of HP printers, I was looking at the HP 1022
(about $200), supposed to support OS 10.3 ... I don't know if that
would mean my Tiger which is 10.4.2, I believe would work. It will
take up to legal size, which may be ok for my needs. I assume the
output quality would be i
Dear Dean,
I print my own big band scores - as many as 16 staves, on normal
letter size paper in landscape view. But I am not really reading
them - just being reminded of what I have written. If I really
needed to see shat I was conducting, I'd get some 11x17 paper cut to
11x14 and use
Again, good info ... if the quality of the image is what I would hope
for in a PS laser printer, I probably would only need a max of
8.5x14. However, as I noted earlier, that makes for some pretty small
print on a large score. Things to ponder.
Thanks again,
Dean
On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:25
Good info ... thanks. How do the Fin fonts look when printed?
Dean
On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I see your point. Without researching, how much do they get for
Laser Printers these days wouldn't necessarily have to be
color, if that
Heh, heh you got that right. I do carry a medicare card. As far
as large format goes, the largest I think I would use is legal size
for scores. Though, as my present project is 22 staves, legal size
means a pretty small print ... something larger would be nice, if
it's available. Wha
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I see your point. Without researching, how much do they get for Laser
Printers these days wouldn't necessarily have to be color, if
that even enters into it anymore?
If you don't need 11 x 17 capability (I did), Samsung has an entry level
unit (ML 2010) for ab
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I see your point. Without researching, how much do they get for Laser
Printers these days wouldn't necessarily have to be color, if
that even enters into it anymore?
Within the past two weeks, I bought a new Ricoh Aficio AP610 N,
monochrome, true 1200 x 1200 d
At 3:37 PM -0700 10/20/05, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:46 AM, John Howell wrote:
Yes, but interestingly enough not in the vowel, which is the same
phoneme even though it is written differently, but in the
consonants. "Loo-zer" and "Loo-ser." But in conversational speech
such det
Hi Dean,
My impression is that the price has come down to $200 - 300 for entry
level printers, and that a pretty robust one can be found for around
$700. There was discussion here of a particular Ricoh printer that
folks liked a while ago. Depends on your needs - whether you need
large
I see your point. Without researching, how much do they get for Laser
Printers these days wouldn't necessarily have to be color, if
that even enters into it anymore?
Dean
On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 20.10.2005 Williams, Jim wrote:
Dean...
There are parall
Hmmm, I'll check and let you know. Thank you...
Dean
On Oct 20, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote:
Dear Dean,
Unless the printer has an Ethernet connection, it can cost you a
lot to
connect the old printer to the iMac G5. Very old Apple LaserWriter
printers
had Appletalk connections that
On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:46 AM, John Howell wrote:
Yes, but interestingly enough not in the vowel, which is the same
phoneme even though it is written differently, but in the consonants.
"Loo-zer" and "Loo-ser." But in conversational speech such details
are often passed over, just as unstressed
On Oct 20, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
3. I have available to me versions of the files in addition to the
files whose names I manually incremented, including every save during
a working session (not just the file as it stood at the end of the
session).
I don't really need _a
David W. Fenton wrote:
Thanks for the explanation of the executive undelete system. However,
the biggest drawback I see to my using it, is this. I recently found
myself in the circumstance of having to replace failed hardware, on a
_very_ old system (P1, 100mhz). When I discovered that
On 20.10.2005 Williams, Jim wrote:
Dean...
There are parallel-to-USB adapters especially for printers. I used
one on a PC with no problems. I'd assume they are Mac compatible. The
one I used was made by Belkin. I've seen 'em in Best Buy and even
WalMart.
Jim
Most Apple printers are not pa
On 20 Oct 2005 at 16:11, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
> David W. Fenton / 2005/10/20 / 03:23 PM wrote:
>
> >Isn't it quite clear?
>
> I know, I know. I was the only one didn't get it. I didn't think
> that way because, altho it has been quite sometime I saw such bug last
> time, this kind of data loss
Yes, perfect! This is the best description of what happened...
Many thanks, David!
> Hiro,
>
> As I understand what Javier is saying is that the file loses data. If
> he has inadvertently saved it, not realizing there was lost data in
> portions not showing on-screen when he saved it, he has als
Dear Dean,
Unless the printer has an Ethernet connection, it can cost you a lot to
connect the old printer to the iMac G5. Very old Apple LaserWriter printers
had Appletalk connections that only connects to a printer port.
Can you tell me the model?
[But if the printer has an Ethernet connection
John Howell wrote:
At 12:35 AM -0400 10/20/05, Raymond Horton wrote:
Hey folks,
One can not "loose" a file. One can "lose" a file.
Well, one can, of course, "loose" a file containing a virus or trojan
horse, meaning to turn it loose to do its thing. But of course you
are correct. The
David W. Fenton / 2005/10/20 / 03:23 PM wrote:
>Isn't it quite clear?
I know, I know. I was the only one didn't get it. I didn't think that
way because, altho it has been quite sometime I saw such bug last time,
this kind of data loss was not new to me. Back in System 6/7 era and
DOS era, a lo
on 10/20/05 2:02 PM, dhbailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Don's and Darcy's point is that if you are aware of the bug BEFORE you
> save the file, you can rescue yourself. They don't claim to be able to
> revert to a good version if they have already saved a bad version over
> the good version.
On 20 Oct 2005 at 15:08, Christopher Smith wrote:
> On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >
> > From a database point of view (and Finale files are database files),
> > it's definitely corruption, and of the logical type. There are two
> > types of corruption in a database:
> >
> >
On 20 Oct 2005 at 15:02, dhbailey wrote:
> Don's and Darcy's point is that if you are aware of the bug BEFORE you
> save the file, you can rescue yourself. They don't claim to be able
> to revert to a good version if they have already saved a bad version
> over the good version.
And Javier is no
On 20 Oct 2005 at 7:34, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
> David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >If an undelete program that works like the one I have were free and
> >worked as well (no performance penalty and complete stability), would
> > you use it?
>
> I'm always willing to look at something, whether a change
On 20 Oct 2005 at 14:53, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
> David W. Fenton / 2005/10/20 / 02:40 PM wrote:
>
> >Finale files are database files
>
> It is?!
> What is the definition of the database file?
>
> I don't consider it is a database if you don't push/pop and real-time
> data I/O. If real-time data
dhbailey / 2005/10/20 / 02:58 PM wrote:
>But nobody is trying to say that the bug deletes data from files which
>aren't open, and it doesn't delete files from the hard disk.
OK, I now feel extremely stoopid not understanding that, but on the
other hand, if that is what this thread is about, it i
On 20 Oct 2005 at 13:08, Don Hart wrote:
> I was able to go to the *backup copy made when I last saved* and was
> fortunate enough to lose virtually nothing. I found no way to
> retrieve the lost data in my original file. The undos I did trying to
> rectify the problem (immediately after I notic
Andrew Stiller wrote:
There is a downside however: if you don't rigorously, religiously,
follow all the necessary steps required for this system, you can end
up with what I constantly get from this composer in Malta: revisions
applied to an outdated version of the score.
OK. I'm not quite
On 20 Oct 2005 at 13:43, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
> Javier Ruiz / 2005/10/20 / 01:13 PM wrote:
>
> >But, Hiro, it looks like you don't want to admit the possibility of
> >this.
>
> No, no. You are completely misunderstanding my point. I want the
> fact straight because both Don and Darcy said clo
On 20 Oct 2005 at 12:50, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
> Javier Ruiz / 2005/10/20 / 12:41 PM wrote:
>
> >Yes, Hiro is right. The files are not corrupted, they are simply
> >wiped out. Cero. Sayonara.
>
> What do you mean by this?
> Both Don and Darcy said otherwise. They said they were able to go
> back
On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:40 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
From a database point of view (and Finale files are database files),
it's definitely corruption, and of the logical type. There are two
types of corruption in a database:
1. logical corruption
2. content corruption.
Logical corruption mea
A-NO-NE Music wrote:
Javier Ruiz / 2005/10/20 / 01:13 PM wrote:
But, Hiro, it looks like you don't want to admit the possibility of this.
No, no. You are completely misunderstanding my point. I want the fact
straight because both Don and Darcy said closing without save will get
you last
Hiro,
As I understand what Javier is saying is that the file loses data. If
he has inadvertently saved it, not realizing there was lost data in
portions not showing on-screen when he saved it, he has also overwritten
the last-good-version of the file. So all he is left with is the one
with
Dunno...not a Mac user...all I can say is--worked fine on 98 and 98SE. Try
www.belkin.com. and snoop around!
Good luck!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dean M. Estabrook
Sent: Thu 20-Oct-05 13:21
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Printing Question
David W. Fenton / 2005/10/20 / 02:40 PM wrote:
>Finale files are database files
It is?!
What is the definition of the database file?
I don't consider it is a database if you don't push/pop and real-time
data I/O. If real-time data I/O then I will agree it is a corruption,
but Finale file is not
Javier Ruiz wrote:
[Since MakeMusic Inc. Answered to my request I guess I can post again ;) ]
Yes, Hiro is right. The files are not corrupted, they are simply wiped out.
Cero. Sayonara.
[BTW Finale is _not_ aware of the problem. And they are not making a refund
because I bought it 2 months ago
On 20 Oct 2005 at 7:03, Phil Daley wrote:
> At 10/20/2005 12:31 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >If an undelete program that works like the one I have were free and
> >worked as well (no performance penalty and complete stability),
> would >you use it?
>
> Yes, is there one?
>
> I used to use
On 20 Oct 2005 at 5:56, Bernard Savoie wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2005, at 13:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hiro wrote:
> >
> > One more thing. Even though the bug of loosing data is pretty bad,
> > you can't call it file corruption unless the file cannot be opened
> > without error message.
>
> S
I wrote:
>> You said
>> closing the file without saving won't get you entries back.
Which then Darcy replied:
>No, I didn't -- I think you must have misunderstood. I said that
>undoing -- even to the end of the undo tree -- won't get the entries
>back.
This made me believe the data is fine if
At 1:12 PM -0400 10/20/05, Phil Daley wrote:
At 10/20/2005 12:40 PM, John Howell wrote:
The two words allow us greater precision in writing
although the difference might not always be audible in speech.
Oh, I think it would.
If you called someone a "loser" or a "looser", wouldn't there be an
Hey, thanks. Now, if I get connected, what are the chances of my new
computer talking to my old printer (driver-wise, etc.)?
Dean
On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Williams, Jim wrote:
Dean...
There are parallel-to-USB adapters especially for printers. I used
one on a PC with no problems. I'd
Let me clarify, at least for myself - and I'm sorry if I was unclear at any
point.
I was able to go to the *backup copy made when I last saved* and was
fortunate enough to lose virtually nothing. I found no way to retrieve the
lost data in my original file. The undos I did trying to rectify the
Dean...
There are parallel-to-USB adapters especially for printers. I used one on a PC
with no problems. I'd assume they are Mac compatible. The one I used was made
by Belkin. I've seen 'em in Best Buy and even WalMart.
Jim
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of D
I'm using an ink jet printer with my new iMac G5, does a lot of
things well, but printing music aint one of them. I also have an old
Apple Laserwriter which makes beautiful copies of Fin files. It, of
course, does not have USB connections. Is there a way I can print a
file from my new iMa
Javier Ruiz / 2005/10/20 / 01:13 PM wrote:
>But, Hiro, it looks like you don't want to admit the possibility of this.
No, no. You are completely misunderstanding my point. I want the fact
straight because both Don and Darcy said closing without save will get
you last saved version back, while
I meant that complete portions, parts, fragments of the work you had been
working on simply disappear. Not all the music only 100 bars or so in my
case.
I am sorry, I am Spanish and I probably don't use the proper expressions to
explain the problem.
The files themselves do not look to be corrupted
At 10/20/2005 12:40 PM, John Howell wrote:
>The two words allow us greater precision in writing
>although the difference might not always be audible in speech.
Oh, I think it would.
If you called someone a "loser" or a "looser", wouldn't there be an audible
speech difference?
Phil Daley
At 10/20/2005 12:41 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote:
>[Since MakeMusic Inc. Answered to my request I guess I can post again ;) ]
>
>Yes, Hiro is right. The files are not corrupted, they are simply wiped out.
I guess "corrupted" means "damaged so badly that they cannot be reloaded".
So, if you have a file
Javier Ruiz / 2005/10/20 / 12:41 PM wrote:
>Yes, Hiro is right. The files are not corrupted, they are simply wiped out.
>Cero. Sayonara.
What do you mean by this?
Both Don and Darcy said otherwise. They said they were able to go
backed to last saved, as the same as you lost your work when comput
At 12:35 AM -0400 10/20/05, Raymond Horton wrote:
Hey folks,
One can not "loose" a file. One can "lose" a file.
Well, one can, of course, "loose" a file containing a virus or trojan
horse, meaning to turn it loose to do its thing. But of course you
are correct. The two words allow us grea
[Since MakeMusic Inc. Answered to my request I guess I can post again ;) ]
Yes, Hiro is right. The files are not corrupted, they are simply wiped out.
Cero. Sayonara.
[BTW Finale is _not_ aware of the problem. And they are not making a refund
because I bought it 2 months ago...Hint, hint!]
Salud
On Oct 19, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
There has been a side benfit to this technique. On more than one
occasion, I was able to avoid spending a great deal of time and effort
removing items in a file when a client changed his mind about how he
wanted an item, simply by going ba
Bernard Savoie / 2005/10/20 / 05:56 AM wrote:
>Sorry to disagree with this one, corrupt for me means that the file
>does not deliver the material which was saved to it, whether you get
>an error message or not.
Wait!
I think many, many people are confused here.
Both Darcy and Don said the la
At 10/20/2005 08:34 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
>David W. Fenton wrote:
>
>>If an undelete program that works like the one I have were free and
>>worked as well (no performance penalty and complete stability), would
>>you use it?
>
>I'm always willing to look at something, whether a change in pro
David W. Fenton wrote:
If an undelete program that works like the one I have were free and
worked as well (no performance penalty and complete stability), would
you use it?
I'm always willing to look at something, whether a change in procedure,
or acquisition of a new software item that w
Phil,
For some reason I read your post as tongue in cheek. Please accept my
apology.
Don Hart
on 10/20/05 5:52 AM, Phil Daley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> At 10/19/2005 01:56 PM, Don Hart wrote:
>
>> You're a little eager to start an OS war, aren't you?
>
> Actually, I was saying that Mac
At 10/19/2005 01:56 PM, Don Hart wrote:
>You're a little eager to start an OS war, aren't you?
Actually, I was saying that Mac users have more faith in Apple than Windows
users have in Microsoft.
Therefore, the slap was at Windows, which is my OS of choice. And most
people on this list must
At 10/20/2005 12:31 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>If an undelete program that works like the one I have were free and
>worked as well (no performance penalty and complete stability), would
>you use it?
Yes, is there one?
I used to use Norton Undelete on WinNT but it stopped working on Win2K.
Phi
On Oct 19, 2005, at 13:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hiro wrote: One more thing. Even though the bug of loosing data is pretty bad, you can't call it file corruption unless the file cannot be opened without error message. Sorry to disagree with this one, corrupt for me means that the file does not d
on 19/10/2005 Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't get it: If I have a backup from yesterday, why would any more than the work from today get lost? It makes no difference whether I already have half the opera done, I will never loose any more than what I did since I last backed up to the external dri
On 20.10.2005 Raymond Horton wrote:
One can not "loose" a file. One can "lose" a file.
One could loosen a tie, so it is then loose. One could then take the
tie off, and then lose it.
It's been bothering me all over the Internet, and I'm thinking that
this is the only place where people are sm
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