Re: Meandering moment, Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Mr. Patterson:   You mentioned using PDFs as a backup method for older files.While I maybe off the topic a bit, let me extend your line of reasoning a bit further:I typically order manuscripts from Germany of 18th century baroque scores/parts. Seems like most libaries in Germany are now on such a

Re: Meandering moment, Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Very wise words. Robert Patterson wrote: While this is little help for Fin2.x, since ca. Fin2k I've been saving all my files as PDF for printing purposes. This greatly alleviates the need to keep old Finale versions around, because you can always print the file. Editing it would require the or

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Or the other possibility is to start a petition to get MakeMusic to actually make Finale import old files correctly...yeah, like that will happen. Neal Gittleman wrote: Andrew: Let's talk about Finale here. New versions of the program, historically, have not usually provided a transparent

Re: Meandering moment, Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Robert Patterson
While this is little help for Fin2.x, since ca. Fin2k I've been saving all my files as PDF for printing purposes. This greatly alleviates the need to keep old Finale versions around, because you can always print the file. Editing it would require the original version, of course, unless you are

Meandering moment, Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:24 PM 5/25/06 -0400, Neal Gittleman wrote: >it strikes me that an old-machine-for-old- >files solution doesn't seem so out of whack... I don't think it's a bad concept in theory. But it comes up against the reality of an ever-increasing load of quickly & consciously obsoleted formats. Why a

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Neal Gittleman
Andrew: Let's talk about Finale here. New versions of the program, historically, have not usually provided a transparent update for old files. As a publisher, it is crucial that I be able to print out old files in exactly the form in which they were created, and the practical consequence

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Scot Hanna-Weir
On 5/25/06, dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A-NO-NE Music écrit: >Meanwhile, I still believe there is no excuse that Finale never offered >SaveAs older version format, do you not think? Couldn't agree more. Especially that this seems to be a deliberate choice on their part... Probably why they d

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Robert Patterson
David Fenton: > That may be, but the comments you made applied only to the Win9x > kernel and not to the NT kernel. > Sez you. > I don't see why that was not possible for Apple to have done > the same thing, Sometime have a look at Inside Macintosh Vols 1-3, which describe the API up thru S

Re: [Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-25 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 01:33 PM 5/25/2006, Barbara Touburg wrote: >Adobe InDesign does. So does MS Publisher. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] Mac / Win Equivalency Question

2006-05-25 Thread Scot Hanna-Weir
Dear list: I'm a mac user, and haven't had to do this on a windows machine in a long time so am unable to remember the procedure. If you want more than one word to set under a single note as a lyric, on a mac, you can type option-space to insert the null space character. What, pray tell, is th

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2006 at 10:17, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > dc wrote: > > A-NO-NE Music écrit: > >> No software is responsible to support future unknown > >> platform. > > > > Seems to me it's the other way around: the platform should support > > the software, new or old. Your logic completely escapes me. >

Re: [Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2006 at 13:22, Andrew Stiller wrote: > TTBOMK there is no program that will provide Roman numeration > automatically, though certainly it would be easy enough to do. Microsoft Word provides it as one of the default numbering styles and has done so as long as I've used MS Word (which wo

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Robert Patterson / 2006/05/25 / 01:32 PM wrote: >This argument begs the question, though. The issue under discussion is >whether Win *does* provide better backwards compatibility, not whether >it *should*. Nothing in this post offers any evidence to counter the >proposition that Windows does in fa

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2006 at 12:56, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > You buy software, not physically, but the right to use at the moment. > If you can't accept this then you probably shouldn't use computer for > your work. No software is responsible to support future unknown > platform. If you need to run the old s

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread David W. Fenton
On 25 May 2006 at 14:53, Robert Patterson wrote: > Leave it to David Fenton to argue with me when I'm agreeing with him. I wasn't arguing. I was correcting what seemed to me to be misstatements of the history you were outlining. [] > > I believe that current Pentium chips > > use a form of em

Re: [Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-25 Thread Christopher Smith
On May 25, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On May 24, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Dragoş Oltean wrote: I want to write in automat text page number romanic style: I, II, III, IV You have to enter each Roman numeral as a separate text-block on each page. TTBOMK there is no program that

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I'd say it's obviously that Windows provides better support for OLD programs. But Apple has and does provide support for older programs, but at some point Apple does "cut the cord" to keep on the cutting edge Robert Patterson wrote: There has to be a point where you tell the users "Loo

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
So because MakeMusic can't import files from older versions of Finale into a newer version properly, you have to cripple Windows/Mac OS X with the necessity of running older versions of the program? Now, that doesn't make sense at allno wonder Microsoft is in such dire straits with tha

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Robert Patterson
> There > has to be a point where you tell the users "Look, on these NEW > computers, your old software might not run. I suspect someday that day will come for Windows. So far it has not and shows no signs of it. This argument begs the question, though. The issue under discussion is whether

Re: [Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-25 Thread Barbara Touburg
Adobe InDesign does. Andrew Stiller wrote: TTBOMK there is no program that will provide Roman numeration automatically, ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Phil Daley
At 5/25/2006 01:06 PM, dc wrote: >Seems to me it's the other way around: the platform should support the >software, new or old. Your logic completely escapes me. > >Andrew's post is completely on the mark and explains why any professional >user of Finale needs the best backward compatibility poss

Re: [Finale] romanic numbers

2006-05-25 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 24, 2006, at 6:14 PM, Dragoş Oltean wrote: I want to write in automat text page number romanic style: I, II, III, IV You have to enter each Roman numeral as a separate text-block on each page. TTBOMK there is no program that will provide Roman numeration automatically, though

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Eric Dannewitz
But that kind of "logic" is why Microsoft is having such problems. There has to be a point where you tell the users "Look, on these NEW computers, your old software might not run. In fact, it probably won't. We're sorry. We recommend keeping whatever you have around to use the older software if

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Something is wrong with this thread. You buy software, not physically, but the right to use at the moment. If you can't accept this then you probably shouldn't use computer for your work. No software is responsible to support future unknown platform. If you need to run the old software, the co

Re: [Finale] Audio file conversion to midi format

2006-05-25 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Eric Dannewitz / 2006/05/24 / 12:28 AM wrote: >Nor does anything do it really well. You might want to check out >Melodyne. Depending on material, Digital Performer does fair job. Not as good as Melodyne, tho. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Andrew Stiller
On May 24, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern computer?? Let's talk about Finale here. New versions of the program, historically, have not usually provided a transparent update for old files. As a publisher, it is cr

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Robert Patterson
Leave it to David Fenton to argue with me when I'm agreeing with him. Nevertheless, I said what I meant, and meant what I said, and I know at least as much about the subject as he does. > The transition from 16-bit to 32-bit was a big deal. True, but not so much for the 16-bit apps themselves.

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 25.05.2006 Lawrence David Eden wrote: Does Finale 2K3 run on the new Intel Mac? No. Does it run on a new G5? Yes. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://li

[Finale] Re: Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Ken Moore
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > I'm told OpenOffice and StarOffice are compatible, but it's risky > to beta-test your editing work on live clients. :) I regularly use OpenOffice to read Word documents and have returned .xls files to their originators after having modified them

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Michael Cook
Does Finale 2K3 run on the new Intel Mac? No Does it run on a new G5? Yes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

[Finale] Re: Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Ken Moore
Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > But WHY do you want or NEED to run 6 year old software on a modern > computer?? Because it took me a long time to write it (about 12 years ago), and I don't want to rewrite it. -- Ken Moore Musician and engineer _

Re: [Finale] Finale on G5

2006-05-25 Thread Lawrence David Eden
...That simply is not true. A Mac user does not have to upgrade their software EVERY time a new Mac comes out. You can run a ton of programs, including Microcrap Office, on the new Intel macs. No need to upgrade there. Some with Adobe's software. Same was true when Apple went with OS X. You cou