Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread John Howell
At 7:37 PM -0400 7/4/07, David W. Fenton wrote: On 3 Jul 2007 at 23:17, Aaron Sherber wrote: The documentation will open in Safari on Mac and IE on Windows, regardless of your default browser. I hope this will be fixed later on. I don't know how this kind of thing is handled on OS X, but o

[Finale] OT: 18th century trombones

2007-07-04 Thread Raymond Horton
Andrew Stiller, a few weeks back I said some recent scholarship was heading toward alto, tenor and bass trombones all being in Bb in the 18th and 19th centuries. I intended to send you some links at the time but did not. Here are some

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Jul 2007 at 23:17, Aaron Sherber wrote: > The documentation will open in Safari on Mac and IE on > Windows, regardless of your default browser. I hope this will be fixed > later on. I don't know how this kind of thing is handled on OS X, but on Windows, it's *harder* to do it that way than

Re: [Finale] transposition db

2007-07-04 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Very good ... I happily stand corrected, without animus. Every day during which I learn nothing, is wasted. Cheers, Dean On Jul 4, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: The DB sounds an octave lower than written. E.g., if it reads a

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Bruce K H Kau
Jari Williamson's web site can be really helpful as a starter. See http://www.finaletips.nu/index.php However, I notice that last update on the page is August 19, 2006. *sigh* Steve Schow wrote: Furtheremore, with keyboard macros and plugins, I can work so fast that I can't imagine Sibelius

Re: [Finale] transposition db

2007-07-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 3, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: The DB sounds an octave lower than written. E.g., if it reads a cello part (which is often does, hence the term Double Bass), it will sound an octave lower than the celli. Actually, the term "double bass" long predates the use of the in

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Robert Patterson
Steve Schow wrote: let me just say that if you or someone like you wrote a book on how to become a Finale power user There already is a book, called Finale Power!, by Mark Johnson. It includes information about plugins, although it is not up to date. The problem with any computer book is th

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Of course MakeMusic, which makes SmartMusic, has a couple of absolutely stupid bugs in their SmartMusic 10 program for Mac, like the inability to get it to sort a column. 3 some months later...still no fix. I also asked them about when their promised "60 new titles a month" for SmartMusic w

RE: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Steve Schow
I've been riding the fence for a long time. I still can't decide. Its not a cut and dried issue. This may sound silly, but I just can't get around Sibelius' insistence on showing a full page layout with margins (even with the new panarama view). Finale's scroll view is much better. Sounds li

RE: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Steve Schow
> Furtheremore, with > keyboard macros > and plugins, I can work so fast that I can't imagine Sibelius (or any > other program) being any faster. Robert, as a new Finale user, let me just say that if you or someone like you wrote a book on how to become a Finale power user this way, I think

RE: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Steve Schow
> Dennis > P.S. Where does one subscribe to the Sibelius mailing list? > I'd like to > lurk there a bit... > Check yahoogroups.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Robert Patterson
Christopher Smith wrote: If it were consistent, I would have a way to deal with it. And MM would have fixed it. Inconsistent bugs are essentially impossible to fix until their consistencies have been discovered. Unfortunately, not even a plugin could be designed to find and repair the brok

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Now I've gone back through that score and found not a single error in all that flipping -- no changes elsewhere, either. I will be extracting parts and perhaps creating a transposed score (if the conductor prefers that; he's out o

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic Bug with Speedy

2007-07-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 4, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Still curious, though -- any "post" fix to apply to the score? None that I know of 8-( I'm a little pissed at this. It's a rather large bug not to be corrected quickly. Christopher

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic Bug with Speedy

2007-07-04 Thread Robert Patterson
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: My response to Christopher just went out. I didn't get the original version; I held out and first installed 2007b, upgrading to 2007c a day later. It is quite possible you will see few if any problems. The original problem was excruciating. It is doubtful you woul

Re: [Finale] Enharmonic Bug with Speedy

2007-07-04 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:46 AM 7/4/2007 -0500, Robert Patterson wrote: >FWIW: I have found that if you created the enharmonic spellings with the >original Fin07 version, then you will be plagued by enharmonic bugs even >in the updated version of Fin07. My response to Christopher just went out. I didn't get the ori

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:34 AM 7/4/2007 -0400, Christopher Smith wrote: >1) Use Simple Entry. Everyone at MM uses it instead of Speedy, >apparently, because the tech guy couldn't even find the bug when he >used Simple. I had to explain to him that it was a Speedy bug. I've never used it, and I'm such a "Speedy"

[Finale] Enharmonic Bug with Speedy

2007-07-04 Thread Robert Patterson
FWIW: I have found that if you created the enharmonic spellings with the original Fin07 version, then you will be plagued by enharmonic bugs even in the updated version of Fin07. But if you created the enharmonic spellings in the updated version of Fin07 the problems are fewer. They definitely

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 4, 2007, at 7:03 AM, dhbailey wrote: dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: What I meant was, all in all does 2k8 have a similar number of annoying bugs, or are at least a few fixed and none (well) reintroduced? The bug fixes are listed in the read-me quoted on the MM forum. But that'

Re: [Finale] FinMac2007c file overwrite + more 2008

2007-07-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:13 AM, Karen wrote: Would you mind looking at something for me? A project I was working on the last several days required that I use 2007 which I have hardly used. (I'm still happiest in 2006... well, actually my favorite version ever was 2002 coupled with the old

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Robert Patterson
I have to say that Tom Carrathers did a very slick presentation. Apparently, he showed just how close to Sibelius using Finale has come, at least at the presentation level. I don't know Sib so can't say for sure. I also don't use most of the Finale features he touts, being mired in the old ways

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jul 4, 2007, at 2:45 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 10:51 PM 7/3/2007 -0400, Christopher Smith wrote: The Enharmonic Flip bug in Speedy Entry is DEFINITELY NOT fixed! Hitting the 9 in Speedy still causes all kinds of problems down the line. I only recently read about this, and I can't

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:30 AM 7/4/2007, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >On 04.07.2007 dc wrote: >> This is a major problem, because you can't trust what you see on the >screen and have to print everything out to check. > > >Well, I am having such bugs with Engraver slurs, and they are completely >unpredictable. Sometimes

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: [snip]> I've reported this several times to MM, and I know I'm not the only one. But now the guy at tech support doesn't seem to even be willing to acknowledge the problem, and that's what irks me the most, because I've spent quite a bit of time sending in files and reports. Dennis

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.07.2007 dc wrote: This is a major problem, because you can't trust what you see on the screen and have to print everything out to check. Well, I am having such bugs with Engraver slurs, and they are completely unpredictable. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Even in the same

[Finale] Fin07 and Finale GPO registration

2007-07-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
Hi all, For the past year or so, I've had both Fin06 and Fin07 installed on my Windows system. Yesterday, I uninstalled Fin06. Now when I start Fin07, I get the message: "Finale GPO. Your serial number is not correct. Please run the Registration Tool to enter the correct serial number for Fi

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: What I meant was, all in all does 2k8 have a similar number of annoying bugs, or are at least a few fixed and none (well) reintroduced? The bug fixes are listed in the read-me quoted on the MM forum. But that's admittedly not a complete listing. I wonder i

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread dhbailey
Michael Cook wrote: On 4 Jul 2007, at 08:07, dc wrote: I just heard from MM: There are no planned changes to hyphens in Finale 2008. They should function just as they did in Finale 2007c. MM left out a word. This should read: There are no planned changes to hyphens in Finale 2008. They sho

Re: [Finale] FinMac2007c file overwrite + more 2008

2007-07-04 Thread dhbailey
Karen wrote: Hi Christopher, Always glad when I can return the favor and help you out... you are such a great contributer to this list! :-) I'm glad you found this article helpful. Don't mind that you forwarded it at all. :-) Thanks also for your in depth analysis of 2008... I'm real

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: Robert Patterson écrit: The whole point being to try to make a dent in Sibelius sales. I.e., new customers. And what if they end up making a dent in their own sales? With more users switching to Sibelius? I must confess that I'm very tempted to put my 100 bucks towards a cross-grad

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread dhbailey
Robert Patterson wrote: On 7/3/07, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Complain to MakeMusic if they haven't fixed your bugs. They sure haven't fixed many of mine! My impression of this release is that MM didn't care at all about its existing user base for it. I recently went to a de

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.07.2007 dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: I very much share this impression. Question is, bugwise, are we better of with 2k8 or worse? The hyphen bug hasn't been addressed. I just heard from MM: There are no planned changes to hyphens in Finale 2008. They should function just as they

Re: [Finale] Re: Fin 2008 arrived

2007-07-04 Thread Michael Cook
On 4 Jul 2007, at 08:07, dc wrote: I just heard from MM: There are no planned changes to hyphens in Finale 2008. They should function just as they did in Finale 2007c. MM left out a word. This should read: There are no planned changes to hyphens in Finale 2008. They should function INCOR

Re: [Finale] FinMac2007c file overwrite + more 2008

2007-07-04 Thread Karen
Hi Christopher, Always glad when I can return the favor and help you out... you are such a great contributer to this list! :-) I'm glad you found this article helpful. Don't mind that you forwarded it at all. :-) Thanks also for your in depth analysis of 2008... I'm really not happy