Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Ray Horton
John Howell wrote: At 6:02 PM -0400 9/30/09, Darcy James Argue wrote: This is an issue I'd certainly bring up with the composer, i.e, "Are you *sure* you absolutely need this passage written in Cb? Because it's going to be a whole lot easier to read in B." Agreed about asking, but easier in B

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi John, Fair enough, but definitely not the call I would have made. Obviously we don't have a double-blind controlled study here, but the fact that they stumbled sight-reading it in Cb would make me at least curious about trying it in B next time. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread John Howell
At 6:02 PM -0400 9/30/09, Darcy James Argue wrote: This is an issue I'd certainly bring up with the composer, i.e, "Are you *sure* you absolutely need this passage written in Cb? Because it's going to be a whole lot easier to read in B." Agreed about asking, but easier in B for whom? The last

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Carl Dershem
Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre wrote: And advanced musicians also will understand that a Db and a C# is the same during instructions. The number of sharps and flats shall always be kept as low as possible. Klaus I always teach my private students that, for example, Gb should be played/thought as "

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
And advanced musicians also will understand that a Db and a C# is the same during instructions. The number of sharps and flats shall always be kept as low as possible. Klaus --- On Wed, 9/30/09, dhbailey wrote: From: dhbailey Subject: Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior To: finale@shsu.edu Date

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Carl Dershem
Darcy James Argue wrote: Should have been "Bb and *Eb* instruments," obviously. Cheers, - Darcy Well, except for the Bari player, who is always a little off anyway. ;> cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
Should have been "Bb and *Eb* instruments," obviously. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 30 Sep 2009, at 6:00 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Assuming standard bigband instrumentation, you've got only Bb and Cb instruments ___

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
In Carl's case, Cb is the only key that needs simplifying. When "simplify" is checked, Finale wraps anything more than six sharps or six flats. Assuming standard bigband instrumentation, you've got only Bb and Cb instruments, and therefore your transposed keys are Ab and Db, both standard

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
This is an issue I'd certainly bring up with the composer, i.e, "Are you *sure* you absolutely need this passage written in Cb? Because it's going to be a whole lot easier to read in B." Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 30 Sep 2009, at 5:58 PM, Carl Dershem wrot

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Carl Dershem
Darcy James Argue wrote: "Simplify Key" is designed to avoid unwieldy, nonstandard keys (like, ahem, Cb major, which IMO you *really* ought to reconsider) on transposing instruments. In the vast majority of cases, this is what you want. If a piece is in F# major, the clarinets should be written

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Christopher Smith
Yeah, it's just weird that if you choose a concert key of Cb (which IS perfectly standard; no double flats or anything. I remember practicing études in that key) then it gets changed ONLY on the octave transposing instruments like guit and bass by default. Christopher On Wed Sep 30, at We

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Florence + Michael
Guitar and bass are transposing instruments. I'm sure that if you look at the transposition options in the staff attributes, you'll find that "simplify key" is checked. Michael On 30 Sep 2009, at 19:40, Carl Dershem wrote: I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 flats (C- F

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Darcy James Argue
"Simplify Key" is designed to avoid unwieldy, nonstandard keys (like, ahem, Cb major, which IMO you *really* ought to reconsider) on transposing instruments. In the vast majority of cases, this is what you want. If a piece is in F# major, the clarinets should be written in Ab -- not G#! C

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Carl Dershem
Christopher Smith wrote: Well, a few things come to mind. First of all, is this an old file being opened in a newer version of Finale? We know opening older versions is SUPPOSED to be transparent, but in real life... I have stopped using templates made in old versions of Finale because they g

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread dhbailey
And I can't think of very many musical situations where you would want some of the musicians to be in one key and others to be in a different key, even if enharmonically equivalent. Stop the rehearsal and say "that Db needs to be changed" and you'll get the guitarists and bassists scratching t

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread arabushk
Still, that should be the users' decisions and not Finale's. ajr > From what I have seen, string instruments are more comfortable playing in > sharps. > > Trombones are more comfortable playing in flats. > > > At 9/30/2009 01:40 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: > > >I'm working on a big band piece that

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Christopher Smith
Well, a few things come to mind. First of all, is this an old file being opened in a newer version of Finale? We know opening older versions is SUPPOSED to be transparent, but in real life... I have stopped using templates made in old versions of Finale because they gave me so much trouble,

RE: [SPAM] Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Richard Yates
> Carl Dershem wrote: > > I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 > flats (C-Flat) > > in the middle. Oddly enough, the guitar and bass parts are in 5 > > sharps (B). > > > > FinWin2k4 > > > > Does anyone have any idea why Finale might do that? And if so, why > > the guita

{Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
Why did my posting get the prefux of {Fraud?} {Disarmed}? I wouldn’t be able to post if not being a legit member. My point of view isn’r exotic at all. Except for a very few situations of modulating to a dominant key or a parallel minor it hardly ever furthers reading to notate music with more t

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Phil Daley
From what I have seen, string instruments are more comfortable playing in sharps. Trombones are more comfortable playing in flats. At 9/30/2009 01:40 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: >I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 flats (C-Flat) >in the middle. Oddly enough, the guitar and b

{Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre
Actually it speaks for Final being rational. Klaus --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Carl Dershem wrote: From: Carl Dershem Subject: [Finale] Interesting behavior To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:40 PM I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 flats (C-Flat) in the

Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread dhbailey
Carl Dershem wrote: I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 flats (C-Flat) in the middle. Oddly enough, the guitar and bass parts are in 5 sharps (B). FinWin2k4 Does anyone have any idea why Finale might do that? And if so, why the guitar and bass, but not the piano? And n

[Finale] Interesting behavior

2009-09-30 Thread Carl Dershem
I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 flats (C-Flat) in the middle. Oddly enough, the guitar and bass parts are in 5 sharps (B). FinWin2k4 Does anyone have any idea why Finale might do that? And if so, why the guitar and bass, but not the piano? And not the trombones? Ve

Re: [Finale] Old-style lyrics font

2009-09-30 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Hi all, A few years ago, I made a libretto font for myself from some 19th century scores. It's not too bad, has a nice old roughness to it, and you can have it. It's only TrueType, but do what you will with it. I'll be updating it for the remaining characters in a fe

Re: [Finale] "Trill to" notes in Finale 2010?

2009-09-30 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 9/30/2009 8:43 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Hmm, I use Bill Duncan's Finale Productivity fonts, which contain parenthesised noteheads with and without sharps, flats and naturals, The Engraver font contains the same characters. I guess you could define your own artculations with them. As f

Re: [Finale] "Trill to" notes in Finale 2010?

2009-09-30 Thread Christopher Smith
Hmm, I use Bill Duncan's Finale Productivity fonts, which contain parenthesised noteheads with and without sharps, flats and naturals, positioned automatically as articulations. Since I check the box in Music Spacing to take articulations into account, I get good spacing this way. Grace n

RE: [Finale] Old-style lyrics font

2009-09-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Wed, September 30, 2009 7:53 am, Peter Taylor wrote: > I do Dennis, very much. It's just what I need for replacing missing or > damaged parts from 19th and early 20th C. band sets. I've been using > Baskerville but your font looks much more the genuine article. Thank you > for your hard work,

RE: [Finale] Old-style lyrics font

2009-09-30 Thread Peter Taylor
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: >just in case you like that sort of thing. I do Dennis, very much. It's just what I need for replacing missing or damaged parts from 19th and early 20th C. band sets. I've been using Baskerville but your font looks much more the genuine article. Thank you for your ha

[Finale] "Trill to" notes in Finale 2010?

2009-09-30 Thread Dan Tillberg
Hi folks, I wonder if there is some more elegant way of achieving "trill to" notes in Finale 2010? I have used the method described in older entries: place a grace note, move it to the right of the principal note, shorten the stem of the grace note (btw isn't there a way of removing the stem rathe

Re: [Finale] Old-style lyrics font

2009-09-30 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Tue, September 29, 2009 11:40 pm, David W. Fenton wrote: > Could you explain the purpose of this font? I have a hard time > imagining any use for it, myself. What did you use it for? I was setting an opera score intended to have a 19th century look & feel to it, and the client was delighted. F