Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 21, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ian Harris wrote: You may be able to obtain the 12 EVPUs by reducing the width of the preceding measures by a total of the required number of EVPUs. (Measure tool - click on the individual measure(s) and alter the width number.) [I have done this with single s

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Ian Harris
You may be able to obtain the 12 EVPUs by reducing the width of the preceding measures by a total of the required number of EVPUs. (Measure tool - click on the individual measure(s) and alter the width number.) [I have done this with single staves - I don't know if it works with the whole sys

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 21, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: You don't need an extra measure. The "extra space at end of measure" method I described works. I was thinking to avoid having to redraw the regular time signature and the barline, but on second thought maybe that's not such a big deal.

Re: [Finale] Loss of Color in Display

2010-05-21 Thread Barbara Touburg
Robert L. Jenks wrote: I suddenly lost all color info in my Finale 2010 display. This included the note colors for layers 2, 3, and 4. All marks on the score were displayed in black. I closed down Finale 2010 and brought up Finale 2009 which behaved normally. Layer two notes were red, etc. Swi

[Finale] Loss of Color in Display

2010-05-21 Thread Robert L. Jenks
I suddenly lost all color info in my Finale 2010 display. This included the note colors for layers 2, 3, and 4. All marks on the score were displayed in black. I closed down Finale 2010 and brought up Finale 2009 which behaved normally. Layer two notes were red, etc. Switching back to Finale 20

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Mark, You don't need an extra measure. The "extra space at end of measure" method I described works. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 21 May 2010, at 2:32 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: > Dennis wrote: > >> What about simply adding an extra measure? What does your clie

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 May 2010 at 11:32, Mark D Lew wrote: > I got an email from him saying an extra measure is fine so long as it > doesn't add a gap in the playback. I'm at work now and away from my > Finale so I haven't had a time to play with this, but I assume there's > some way to make sure the extra measur

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
Dennis wrote: >What about simply adding an extra measure? What does your client want to do >with the XML code? Would an extra measure by any worse than your own kludge >for the code? Now that you mention it, I'm honestly not sure what all he does with the XML code. I do know that he's very XML

RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
>I can't recall who the OP is, but s/he might try turning UPDATE AUTOMATICALLY >off in document Options>MM Rests I am the OP. Unchecking this setting does not prevent Finale from updating layout prior to printing. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@sh

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 21, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: I'm sorry to come late to this, but is this issue above and beyond the need to UNCHECK Document Options>Multimeasure Rests>Update Automatically? I just tried this on my file and it does not solve the problem in my case. mdl __

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 21, 2010, at 4:23 AM, dhbailey wrote: Isn't that "forced update layout" supposed to be why the developers created the "Automatic Update Layout" option to begin with? That should be sufficient for people who want the layout updated automatically, including when printing, so they don't

RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Richard Yates
> This method does not provide the right amount of space for > the parenthesis after the 3/1 for the courtesy time signature > at the end of a system. I've been too lazy to track all of these suggestions and I also wallow in the obsolete depths of Finale2007, but... What about a custom articu

RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Williams, Jim
Jari Williamsson> Jim Williams already mentioned the Update Automatically setting in the MM Rest options. I believe it's this setting that causes the UL prior to printing. Indeed I do at least suspect this setting is responsible here. This is a feature with at least one major unintended conseq

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 21, 2010, at 3:54 AM, Scott Jones wrote: Insert the time signature as 6/2 + 3/1 and then go into the time signature settings in doc options and change the + to a blank character in the font and you will see the time as you want it. I've done this very same thing for Bernstein's Over

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Jari Williamsson
Mark D Lew wrote: Do you have another kludge you would recommend for generating space after a courtesy time signature at the end of a system? It's quite easy to add graphical time sigs that works correctly with layout updates, music respacing and so on: * If you need space to add the time

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Mark, Hide the real barline. Hide the courtesy time signature. Add extra space at the end of the measure (Measure Attributes -> Extra Space at End). Add a graphic barline as an expression. Add both the 6/2 and the 3/1 time signatures as expressions. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.sec

RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Williams, Jim
I'm sorry to come late to this, but is this issue above and beyond the need to UNCHECK Document Options>Multimeasure Rests>Update Automatically? This function, designed to prevent scroll-view note entry into MM rests, also forces an update layout when printing. I looked quickly through the post

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Haroldo Mauro Jr .
How about creating an extra measure at the end of the system just to place the 3/1 expression? Change the fake rest into a real one, hide it, and create a new region for measure numbers, so the numbering would continue normally. You might need to choose an invisible barline for the extra measur

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread dhbailey
dhbailey wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. I'm sorry but I have to disagree that printing forcing an update layout with no use

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Jones
Insert the time signature as 6/2 + 3/1 and then go into the time signature settings in doc options and change the + to a blank character in the font and you will see the time as you want it. I've done this very same thing for Bernstein's Overture to WSS 4/4 + 2/4 stuff. You have to set th

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread dhbailey
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 2:09 am, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Ouch! That explains why my "DO NOT UPDATE LAYOUT

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread dhbailey
Mark D Lew wrote: On May 20, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Ugh. OK, well at least that answers my question. Thank

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. I'm sorry but I have to disagree that printing forcing an update layout with no user control is not a g

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Fri, May 21, 2010 3:18 am, Mark D Lew wrote: > Do you have another kludge you would recommend for generating space > after a courtesy time signature at the end of a system? Perhaps add a measure, use a 'real' time signature, hide the rest, put in the extra time signature info, adjust the measur

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Fri, May 21, 2010 2:09 am, Darcy James Argue wrote: > That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In > recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible > thing. Ouch! That explains why my "DO NOT UPDATE LAYOUT" graphical scores don't w

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread James Cooper
I would try exporting graphic before update layout happens, then printing from a PDF file (but I haven't tried it with a problem like this). But maybe that wouldn't meet your client's requirements. -- James Cooper On Friday, May 21, 2010, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > > Is there somewhere I can def

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 21, 2010, at 2:13 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: that will surely give you way more space than you need Yes, I discovered that. I played with it a bit and it wasn't working. what about creating an expression of a staff (5 lines, attached to all staves) that is something like 12 EVPUS (

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread SN jef chippewa
Is there somewhere I can define the time signature numeral characters? If I can blank out the plus and some digits I may be able to fake something with a composite time signature. that will surely give you way more space than you need what about creating an expression of a staff (5 lines, a

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 20, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Ugh. OK, well at least that answers my question. Thanks. I see why the

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Darcy James Argue
That's a bad kludge. Find another, better way to get the result you want. In recent versions, printing forces an update layout. This is a good and sensible thing. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 20 May 2010, at 11:51 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: > I have a piece that

Re: [Finale] print forces update layout??

2010-05-21 Thread Mark D Lew
On May 20, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: No, it won't. Or if it does, the "kludge" is no kludge at all, and is unrelated to "Update Layout." Hmm, maybe it's not "update layout" then. Let me be more specific. I've got a piece with a lot of time signature changes and one of the