Re: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Phil Lee
Comments in red below.  From: "Volokh, Eugene" To: "firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu" Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 2:10 PM Subject: New approach     Now I don’t understand.  You say that “the notion of ‘positive protection’ is a perversion o

Re: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Jon Roland
A few points: 1. It is a misframing of the issue to put it into terms of "self-defense". In the context of the social contract that establishes the militia duty of mutual defense, "self-defense" becomes "defense of the community", with oneself being a member if

New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Now I don’t understand. You say that “the notion of ‘positive protection’ is a perversion of the Constitution,” and therefore laws withdrawing such protection – e.g., allowing the killing of burglars, thieves, etc. caught in the act – are constitutionally permissible simply beca

Re: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Phil Lee
From: "Volokh, Eugene" To: "firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu" Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:01 PM Subject: RE: New approach     I agree that DeShaney says that failure to adequately enforce the law isn’t a due process violation.  But I don’t

RE: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
I agree that DeShaney says that failure to adequately enforce the law isn’t a due process violation. But I don’t think that disposes of the question whether a law stripping classes of people of protection against murder, kidnapping, theft, etc. is a due process violation.

Re: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Phil Lee
From: "Volokh, Eugene" To: "firearmsregprof@lists.ucla.edu" Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 9:43 AM Subject: RE: New approach     (1)  As I understand it, the claim is that the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that no state shall deny a pers

Re: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Phil Lee
But the USSC has held that the government has no duty to act in general, only in limited cases such protecting witness or people in custody.  So, your claim "you can't say . . . " is wrong.  The notion of "positive protection" is a perversion of the Constitution and not the basis for making yo

RE: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
(1) As I understand it, the claim is that the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that no state shall deny a person life or liberty without due process, limits states' power to withdraw from people the protections of the criminal law (e.g., the law against murdering those peopl

RE: New approach

2013-05-09 Thread Volokh, Eugene
If my hypotheticals are obvious illegal acts if offered by Congress, being denials of due process, that must be because stripping someone of positive protection – the protection given by the criminalization of attacks on or thefts from that person – is indeed a denial of due proc