RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Phil Lee
Consider "Crime in England and Wales 2001/2002: Supplementary Volume". From "Table 1.03 Offences currently (Note 1) recorded as homicide by apparent method of killing and sex of victim England and Wales 1991 to 2001/02" and "Table 1.03" from Crime in England and Wales 2002/2003, we see the recorde

Re: [inbox] RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Clayton E. Cramer
- Original Message - From: "Philip F. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: [inbox] RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5% > Well, Dr(?) Kleiman's following paragraph needs to be reconsi

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Cory Hojka
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Statement 2 is incorrect. Victimization survey data give us a different > source, but that produces confusion, not better data. Yes, lots of people > surveyed claim to have been crime victims but did not report to the police. > But when researchers focussed on survey

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Guy Smith
>> I must say I find the whole tone of this thread rather shocking on a scholarly list. I decline to agree. Review and examination of crime measurement, especially in light of the widely diverging data from the same population, is quite beneficial and appropriate. Indeed, it is the divergence of

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread RGriff9243
I am forwarding Don Kate's comments on Mark's post. Rich Subj: Re: Subj: RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5% Date: 7/30/2004 2:00:00 PM Eastern Standard Time     Though I am not a member of this group, I shall give you my 2 cents worth. 1. Victimizati

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Philip F. Lee
Well, Dr(?) Kleiman's following paragraph needs to be reconsidered by him: I must say I find the whole tone of this thread rather shocking on a scholarly list. Some people are married to the idea that gun controls cause crime. The UK instituted gun controls, and crime fell, according to the

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread Mark Kleiman
Victimization surveys were introduced because trends in crimes reported to the police are unreliable measures of trends in crime.  Many factors, including the perceived competence of the police, can influence the proportion of victims who choose to make official reports.  Victimization data are

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-30 Thread C. D. Tavares
At 1:19 PM -0700 7/28/04, Guy Smith wrote: > Aside from the misalignment with police reporting systems, has anyone >seen any evidence that the BCS survey responses are not accurate, and if >so, what the suspected source causing the bias? I would say the following statement from the original newsp

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-28 Thread Guy Smith
Having some formal education and work experience in survey design and administration, and having critiqued many public opinion surveys, I understand how surveys can and do bias results.  This has been my main concern with the BCS -- the possibility of the survey, the questions, the survey ad

RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%

2004-07-28 Thread Guy Smith
 >>  Meanwhile, the figures recorded by the police showed a 1% rise in overall crime, with a 12% jump in violent crime.    Anyone have a link to the the report that details this and the other violent crime increases?   - Guy Smith Author, Gun Facts www.GunFacts.info [EMAIL