Hi again Bruno,
Heeding Pedro's kind reminder, this is my second and therefore last
message to the list this week. However, I'll be happy to continue the
discussion off-list (and to copy in any others who signal their
interest).
Tuesday, April 17, 2012, 10:57:41 AM, Bruno wrote:
> The guy know a
On 17 Apr 2012, at 11:44, Loet Leydesdorff wrote:
>> It seems to me that, if I believe I am duplicable, and understand the
> protocol, I must predict that I will experience being in both Moscow
> and
> Washington. The process bifurcates one person, who becomes two
> people with
> absolutely id
On 17 Apr 2012, at 11:23, Robin Faichney wrote:
Hi Bruno,
This is very interesting for me, my approach to information is via the
mind-body and "hard" problems, and I'm sympathetic to
computationalism. On the other hand, I have difficulties understanding
much of what you say here. Let me focus
> It seems to me that, if I believe I am duplicable, and understand the
protocol, I must predict that I will experience being in both Moscow and
Washington. The process bifurcates one person, who becomes two people with
absolutely identical physique and memories immediately afterwards, which
will t
Hi Bruno,
This is very interesting for me, my approach to information is via the
mind-body and "hard" problems, and I'm sympathetic to
computationalism. On the other hand, I have difficulties understanding
much of what you say here. Let me focus on one point for now though.
Tuesday, April 17, 201
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From: Bruno Marchal [mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:48 PM
To: Loet Leydesdorff
Cc: 'Pedro C. Marijuan'; fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear Loet, dear Pedro,
On 11 Apr 2012, at 11:28, Loet Leydesdorff wrote:
Dear
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From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On
Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan
Sent: den 16 april 2012 17:54
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear Joseph and FIS
glad to learn of other candidates for this role.
Thank you and best wishes,
Joseph
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
Datum: 11.04.2012 10:44
An:
Betreff: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear John and colleagues,
Nice to hear that
low classical propositional logic but equate to
>> tautologies.
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>> Because Logic in Reality is grounded in physics, it is able to express
>> somewhat more about change, evolution, etc. than any logic of which I am
>> aware. I would be glad to learn of other candi
f which I am
> aware. I would be glad to learn of other candidates for this role.
>
> Thank you and best wishes,
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> Joseph
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> Ursprüngliche Nachricht
> Von: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
> Datum: 11.04.2012 10:44
> An:
> Betreff: Re: [Fis] Physics of co
ange, evolution, etc. than any logic of which I am aware. I would
be glad to learn of other candidates for this role.
Thank you and best wishes,
Joseph
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es
Datum: 11.04.2012 10:44
An:
Betreff: Re: [Fis] Physics of computi
fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear John and colleagues,
Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our
best wishes for your complete recovery!
About physical information I think that Landauer clarified the
panorama, at least concerning the relation
From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On
Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 10:44 AM
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear John and colleagues,
Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxicati
Dear John and colleagues,
Nice to hear that you are OK after that dangerous intoxication --our
best wishes for your complete recovery!
About physical information I think that Landauer clarified the panorama,
at least concerning the relationship between information theory and
thermodynamics. Ac
Hi Gavin and others.
Try Information in biological systems (
http://web.ncf.ca/collier/papers/Information%20in%20Biological%20Systems.pdf )
(Handbook of Philosophy of Science, vol 8, Philosophy of Information (
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/716648/description#descr
Folks,
I have been in the hospital for almost three weeks due to bleeding from
warfarin. I had to have three blood transfusions and an operation. I am
only now getting my strength back. Some of my comments, therefore, may
be dated.
"Physical" has a variety of overlapping meanings (a Wittgenstei
.es
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Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 04:19:31 -0700
To: Foundations of Information Science Information Science <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear discussants,
I tend to disagree with the motto "information is physical" if
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> Bruno Marchal
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> PS see below for a concise version of the proof:
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/publications/SANE2004MARCHALAbstract.html
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> Regards,
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> Guy
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> From: Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez mailto:pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es >&g
4:19:31 -0700
To: Foundations of Information Science Information Science <mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear discussants,
I tend to disagree with the motto "information is physical" if taken
too strictly. Obviously if we look "down
Dear Gavin et.FIS,
Information processing is omnipresent in biology.
Alan Turing's reaction-diffusion model of morphogenesis is certainly
well-known.
Here are a few more examples implying information processing within
biological systems:
1. Vrancisco Varela's self-reference calculus:
http://www
ttp://www.mrtc.mdh.se/%7Egdc/>
https://sites.google.com/site/naturalcomputingaisbiacap2012
From: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch [mailto:joe.bren...@bluewin.ch]
Sent: den 17 mars 2012 05:54
To: Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic; fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: AW: Re: [Fis] Physics of Computing
Dear Gordana,
There are
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Thank you Gordana for your reply. But I'm not sure whether not you
misunderstood my comments about a direct correspondence between information and
physics in biology. So, I thought I should stress my point from a slightly
different approach.
Khrennikov and colleagues, for instance, often refer
c.mdh.se/~gdc/
https://sites.google.com/site/naturalcomputingaisbiacap2012
From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On
Behalf Of Kevin Clark
Sent: den 16 mars 2012 21:56
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: [Fis] Physics of Computing
Dear FISers:
Pedro and Plamen raise good and wel
Hi FISers
Can anyone show me a calculus for Information relating to biological systems?
And if so show me the relationship with conceptual mathematics?
Regards
Gavin
Dear FISers:
Pedro and Plamen raise good and welcomed points regarding the nature of
physics, information, and biology. Alt
Dear FISers:
Pedro and Plamen raise good and welcomed points regarding the nature of
physics, information, and biology. Although I believe in a strong relationship
between information and physics in biology, there are striking examples where
direct correspondences between information, physics,
:19:31 -0700
To: Foundations of Information Science Information Science
mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
Dear discussants,
I tend to disagree with the motto "information is physical" if taken too
strictly. Obviously if we look "downwards&qu
Dear discussants,
I tend to disagree with the motto "information is physical" if taken too
strictly. Obviously if we look "downwards" it is OK, but in the "upward"
direction it is different. Info is not only physical then, and the
dimension of self-construction along the realization of life cy
Thanks John and Kevin to update issues in information,
computation, energy and reality.
I would like point out to other articles more focused
in how coherence and entanglement are used by living systems (far from thermal
equilibrium):
Engel G.S., Calhoun T.R., Read E.L., Ahn T.K., Mancal
T., C
Thank you John for your update (FIS Digest 559, Issue 4) on the cost of
computation. It's good to see experimental verification of Landauer's
Principle. For those FISers interested in related topics on Landauer's
Principle, you might also read:
1) Clark, K.B. (2010). Bose-Einstein condensates f
Dear folks,
This is a further article demonstrating that information is physical. It
is nice to be getting some empirical results.
http://www.nature.com/news/the-unavoidable-cost-of-computation-revealed-1.10186?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20120313
The previous article, which I mentioned on this list, is Toya
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