[Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-01 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren and Folks, I have included some comments inside Soren’s introduction. Best, Lou K. > > Infobiosemiotics > > Søren Brier, CBS > This discussion aims at contributing to the definition of a universal concept > of information covering objective as well as subjective experiential and >

[Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, If you were to read the dialogues with Mary Catherine Bateson (as a child) and Gregory Bateson in “Steps to an Ecology of Mind”, you might change your notion of what sort of view of the observer is being studied in cybernetics. It is all, through and through about a feeling for and a

[Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, Excellent! What it amounts to is that you and I interpret all this a bit differently. I am happy with Bateson’s unmarked states and his "All that is for the preacher > The hypnotist, therapist and missionary > They will c

[Fis] _ _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, I want to make a further comment on "It thus seems obvious that Bateson's “pattern that con­nects” includes the phenomeno­logical-emotional dimen­sion in its concept of mind but viewed as computational thoughts of relation, not as first person experiences. Cybernetics does not have

[Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-03 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Soren, Lou and Loet, I can appreciate that Bateson might have had it in for hypnotists and missionaries, but therapists can be really useful! Had Othello had a good one, Desdemona would have lived – they might have even done some family therapy! More deeply, Bateson’s highlighting of the dif

[Fis] _ RE: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-03 Thread Christophe
Dear Soren, Thanks for these details on the Peircean approach. You write that ‘the concept of experience and meaning does not exist in the vocabulary of the theoretical framework of natural sciences'. Would you consider the modeling of meaning generation (MGS in previous post) and the linking o

[Fis] _ RE: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-07 Thread Christophe
Dear Soren, To avoid a possible misunderstanding let me say that the MGS has no ambition to reach a ’full Peircean semiotic framework’. The Meaning Generator System has been designed to introduce what looked to me as missing in the young ‘science of cognition’ in the mid 90’s. ‘Meaning’ was a ke

Re: [Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Caro Louis e Cari Tutti, tutta la mia più che cinquantennale ricerca si basa proprio sull'informazione semiotica unita all'informazione naturale o termodinamica, genetica e matematica. Anzi ho incontrato e conosciuto Pedro, se non ricordo male, il 17-22 setmbre 2002 ad Acireale (Catania) si è svolt