This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karen, You caught me.....I have a Flyer, and a couple of others, too. Anyone want to buy a beautiful restored (black with royal pinstriping) road cart.....how about an Albany cutter? Fully restored, too, with original sleigh bells on the shafts. Both restored by A&D Buggy Shop in Ohio, premiere carriage restorers. Have my eye on a different starter 2-wheeler for my young Nattmann. Need to sell a couple of things before I can buy this other vehicle I want to go with my Fjord!!!!! Truly, have these 2 nifty vehicles for sale! No, we don't have snow here in the Central San Joaquin Valley in CA. Yes, Karen, 2-wheels are great for starting.......I was thinking of end product and sort of skipped a couple steps in my recommendation of a driving vehicle. Can't wait to see Nattmann pulling my Flyer!!!!! (Noise and all.....but it IT a VERY cushy ride!!!!) Not as noisy as the big hitch wagons! Turlock......same weekend as the Shady Oaks CDE. Hmmm.......I already miss the "exciting" day on Saturday, (soccer with the kids & leadline trail), and all their great hazards. Will get to watch driven dressage on Friday....gotta figure out how to sign up for leadline while I am up in Lodi!!! OK, so that leaves cones on Sunday.......or Turlock driving classes.......will probably stick around and help .... see? ...my hand is raised!! Actually, it would be fun getting more involved in the local Stuff.....and I DO so love the driving!!!!! Carole Sweet