fjordhorse-digest Tuesday, December 18 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 330
In this issue:
Various
Re: the cost of Fjords
solar fencers/new Fjord owner
Re: Holiday vacation - oh really?!
Re: Fjords and the Vikings
Circle Y saddle
Re: Fjords and the Vikings
Re: West Coast Evaluations
Re: Circle Y saddle
electric fence
Re: prices-hotel food package MWFHC
Re: Fjords and the Vikings
Re: Fw: Holiday vacation
West Coast Evaluation
Re: solar fencers (LONG!)
Re: solar fencers (LONG!)
Re: solar fencers (LONG!)
Woodstock Show
Re: solar powered fencer
See the end of the digest for information on how to retrieve back issues.
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:17:49 -0800
From: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Various
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all -
I haven't yet taken the opportunity to congratulate Cheryl B. on her big
adventure driving through the night, all to promote the cause of Fjord-dom.
Your willingness to get out there and try something new is amazing. Good for
you! Hope to see you soon.
And Lori A., if I ever get to be half as good a rider as you, I'll be
astounded and delighted. Keep us posted [ro pun intended, there, honest....]
Doug has been reading up on his HTML, and is finding all sorts of fun things
he can do to our web site. Music is the latest. Now it's just a matter of
which Greig selections to put with each page. We'll be starting on the site
for the PNFPG as soon as Dean Thomas sends me what he already has finished.
Will keep you informed.
Bye now from Ellensburg, where the snow on the roads melted 2 minutes before
it all froze again, smooth as glass, wheeee! Peg
Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA
http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:59:26 -0600
From: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the cost of Fjords
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> TRAINING is a major factor in the price too Judy,
************************************
Hi Ruthie, Good to hear from you. Yes, I agree COMPLETELY about the
training. That's what really takes the price up, and rightfully so.
Thought I had mentioned that in my post.
but I maintain that even
> an untrained Fjord is worth far more than a comparable non-Fjord,
********************************
Different breeds do bring different prices, even when all things considered
they may be of "comparable value". Supply and demand, I guess. Plus their
sweet nature, of course. :-)
simply
> because they are uniquely sweet-natured. We've had several other different
> breeds in our lifetime, but they couldn't hold a candle to a Fjord..
they're
> worth every penny. Maybe Santa will bring you one?
*************************************
I wish!!! My Santa's first name is Scrooge, I think.
Judy
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:41:22 -0600
From: Janet McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: solar fencers/new Fjord owner
This message is from: Janet McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> We have had terrible luck with a solar fencer. No matter what we did, the
> fence would short out and drain the power. The fence shorts out on: snow
> bridging the gap between the post and wire, bugs bridging the gap, weeds and
> grass, anything that falls on the fence.We eventually had to bring power up
> to the fence and use the plug in type fencer.
>
> Suzan
>
Hi,
I've been a lurker on this list. As a new Fjord owner, I have not had much to
contribute, but alas this topic I can speak on! I have a few hundred sheep and
operate up to 6 fencer energizers. Two are plug in models and 4 are battery
operated. I've tested numerous solar powered fencers, and for sheep, none are
'hot'
enough to do the job. But there is an explanation that goes beyond how the
battery
is charged for the problem mentioned above.
First check the obvious, it may be the solar pannel is too small for the job.
Adequately sized solar pannels are not cheap, and some of the cheap solar units
found in catalogs are underpowered. A good solar pannel will cost over $300.
But there is another possible problem. Some of the newer generation energizers
(the
unit that sends the charge out on the wire) are suppose to be 'smart' and send
more
energy out on the wire if something is touching (grounding) the wire. The idea
is
that minimal power is used when no animal is touching the fence, and then more
power
is sent out if the animal touches it, or if some vegetation is shorting out the
fence. Thus assuring the animal recieves a shock. My own experience with these
type
of fencers is that they run the battery down -extreemly- fast when weather
conditions or vegetation cause a short. Hence every unit that I have tried like
that has failed, and I will now only use those low impedence units that send the
same amount of energy out no matter what the weed load is. My personal
favorite has
been speed rite, but Gallaghar has been a good unit for others. I simply
recharge
the battery every 10 days.
My new Fjord was purchased to move hay for sheep and cattle. I am in the
process of
training her team mate to pull. My perspective on price was a little different
than
those mentioned earlier. I basically compared the purchase to a tractor.
Either I
purchased a tractor, or put together a team. Factors that were extreemly
important
to me is willingness to please, quiet unflappable temperment, and lots of prior
handling so that if we get into an akward situation the horses would trust me
and
remain calm. Sweet temperment that can win over a reluctant husband is a big
plus.
I purchased my mare from Patti Walter, who did a wonderful job training her.
IMO
the Fjord holds more value because of its unique roll that no other breed can
fill.
large enough to work, yet small enough to ride, with a wonderful disposition.
Janet McNally
http://www.pinenet.com/~tamarack/homepage.html
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:49:53 +0000
From: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Holiday vacation - oh really?!
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
....WARNING!!
Non Fjord Related: read at your own risk!! PASS IT ON!
......................................................
Thanks Joe for posting your link. I despise this kind of electronic blather
almost as much as I despise Thomas Kincaid's schloky art and MLM schemes to
name a couple. It all STINKS.
Yup, I am a regular true-blue skeptic and a regular Snopes user. I made
myself quite the pariah at my office debunking the urban legend goin' round
re. the hypodermic needle in the movie theatre... So by ignoring the
plethora of simpering, quacky emails that tell me if I don't pass the
message on to all my friends and loved ones, I might not get to heaven. Or
feel the love. Whatever!
The moral to this story is look before you leap into the abyss of
gullability & spare us this drivel!
kmac
..............END of RANT......................
- ----Original Message Follows----
From: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Holiday vacation
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:08:21 -0500
This message is from: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Please check out the web site below. About half-way down the page you will
see an article on this "Holiday vacation".
http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/nothing/billgate.htm
Bookmark this site for future reference on "hard to believe"stories.
http://www.snopes2.com/
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:34:47 +0100
From: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fjords and the Vikings
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Deb wrote:
"I am most surprised to hear that Fjords are not horses that were used by the
Vikings. There are so many sites about Fjords that say they are the horse of
the Viking."
Actually, there are no THE horse of the Vikings. First of all, who were the
"vikings"? If you should look upon it critially, "vikings" were only a smaller
group of people in the Scandinavian countries during the Viking Age (775-1060
AD). This has nothing to do with ethnicity, but with the fact that "viking"
really mean seavoyagers. If we interpret "viking" that way, we understand that
the number of "viking horses" most have been pretty low;o). Most people in
Scandinavia during the Viking Age did not go on sea voyages, they were farmers.
However, many people use "vikings" to cover all people, no matter how they
supported themselves, living in the Scandinavian countries during the Viking
Age. This means that there were vikings originating from several different
countries according to today's borders. The people living in what today is
parts of Norway and parts of western Sweden kept horses that are the ancestors
of breeds we know today as fjord, doele, north-swedish horse and icelandic. In
eastern Sweden, Denmark and other areas the "viking horse" was something else.
Mabye these horses were related to the stock in Norway/west Sweden and mabye
they were not. There's not much left to compare, but we know for sure that the
Swedish pony-breed "russ", living on the island Gotland in the Baltic seems to
be un-related to fjords/icelandic etc and the russ have been on the island
since before the Viking Age. The people on Gotland during the Viking Age most
probably kept russ, so here we got another "viking horse"!
During the 19th and early 20th Centuries, many of the old farmbreeds faded
away, because the Scandinavian governments wanted heavier and larger horses and
therefore imported from England and Belgium. We all know that the fjord was
almost gone, but was saved in the last minute. Not all breeds were that lucky.
In Sweden we lost several breeds, among them the "f?rsing" which was the
scanian "feral" horse (they had owners but were kept in the woods) which is the
foundation for the Swedish warmblood. ONE photo is all that remains. We also
had a very small pony breed (c. 10 hands) living on ?land, another Baltic
island. They are gone too.
The government in these days wanted pure breeds. Their idea of a "pure" horse
was probably the TB-idea, written papers for many generations and horses
originating from "noble" studs. The farmbreds didn't have that, but to fit in
the system one started to try to make the different stocks of farmhorses into
"breeds". Many breeds that we know today as recognised for only having one
colour, originally were very rich in colour. To keep your breed alive it was
important to show that it was really a "breed" in the means of the word that
the government used it, so studbooks were opened and one started for the first
time to decide WHAT was a vestlandshest compared to a oestlandhest etc.
The vikings of course, did not have any of this. They wanted good horses and
even though pedigree actually seem to have played some role, the most important
thing was that the horse was good. But a good horse could be even better if he
or she was originating from the herd of a great chieftain. This herd could be
of mixed origin: horses that had been presented as gifts, taken in war or
traded with somebody else together with horses that had been in the herd for
generation.
Probably some horses were imported to Scandinavia during the Viking Age too.
These were probably used for breeding.
During the Viking Age they didn't have "breeds" as we have them, the whole
breed-idea probably arrived in Scandinavia later.
So there is not ONE breed that truely can be called THE viking horse. The
Icelandic horses are often referred to as the viking horse by it's fans, but
the truth is that this stock was formed during the Viking Age (and later by
selective breeding - outbreeding is only one way to change a breed), founded on
horses from Norway and the British Isles. We didn't have any Icelandic horses
in Sweden, not any fjords neither for the matter, so for our vikings, there
must have been other horses.
Now, mabye this didn't go as short and clear as I wanted. But I have to do some
work, so if there are any strange things I try to do something about them later.
Anneli
*****************************************************
Anneli Sundkvist
Department of Archaeology & Ancient History
Uppsala University
St. Eriks Torg 5
S-753 10 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46-18-4716236
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:22:39 -0600
From: "Sandy Sederstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Circle Y saddle
This message is from: "Sandy Sederstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Has anyone checked out the new Circle Y Draft Horse Trail Saddle? I thought
this might be worth a look. It was advertised in a flyer from State Line Tack.
The ad says it is made with a round skirt, and extra wide tree for wider short
backs, in 16", 17", 18" seat. Price listed at $1,090.00. I have had good luck
with my Circle Y Park and Trail saddle for my Fjords,very comfortable saddle
for me and my horses. There are a few things you can do to get your saddle to
stay put on round backs. A gripper pad helps, under your saddle blanket. Also
a wide felt lined cinch, and a single layer wool saddle blanket. These are
some of the things I found through my own battle of trying to get a better
saddle fit.
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:30:46 -0700
From: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fjords and the Vikings
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Actually, there are no THE horse of the Vikings.
A very interesting discourse on the variety of "Viking" horses Anneli and
how they evolved! (and Vikings too) Thanks very much for sharing that...
Ruthie, nw mt
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:32:25 -0500
From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: West Coast Evaluations
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 10:56 PM 12/17/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>However, I would be supportive of having another full-on Eval
>(Conformation & Performance Testing) in 2002, separate from the Turlock
>Show. The venue could be Turlock or another site.
>If anyone would be interested in such a thing happening next year out on
>the left coast, please write me & let me know your thoughts.
>If enough interest is shown, then I will proceed with this to the NFHR BOD
>& Eval Comm.
If your serious Karen you should contact the committee & at least give them
an idea that you are interested in doing one again. Please contact either
of the co-chairs of the committee - Tom Hans or Anne Appleby. If you need
their email addresses let me know.
Mike
Mike
=======================================================
Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry
Mike May, Executive Director &
Registrar
Voice 585-872-4114
FAX 585-787-0497
http://www.nfhr.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:44:34 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Circle Y saddle
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My business partner and friend, Kristin, ordered this saddle for her fjord.
After trying several saddles this one fit the bill. It has not arrived yet
but after she rides in it awhile I'll report back.
Linda
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:26:26 -0600
From: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: electric fence
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi List,
It is 28 here this morning with no snow for Christmas. We had 18 inches
in Nov. and most of that is melted. I just picked up my Christmas
present to Heidi this Sun. It is a marathon vehicle and now I wish I
had a next door neighbor to help me get my present harness all adjusted
correctly. But I will keep working on it and keep my ears and eyes open
for a clinic or something about this. It sure is a whole new view up
high and not looking at her butt all the time from my easy entry cart.
My fence question is: What causes us to have interference on our TV at
times from the pulsing of the charger? Does anyone else experience
this?
- --
"Built FJORD tough"
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:10:31 -0600
From: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: prices-hotel food package MWFHC
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Is this the price for both nights or just the price for one night?
> Also do you have the phone number for this hotel?
> Linda Syverson Kerr
>
The $135.00 per person based on single occupany or the $95.00 per person based
on
double occupancy is for TWO nights lodging, reception, breakfast, lunch and
dinner.
The phone number is : (815) 777-2043 - Make sure you tell them you are with the
Midwest Fjord Horse Club to get that rate.
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:32:36 -0700
From: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fjords and the Vikings
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks Anneli: This information is very interesting.
pat
ttfn
Anneli Sundkvist wrote:
> This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Deb wrote:
>
> "I am most surprised to hear that Fjords are not horses that were used by the
> Vikings. There are so many sites about Fjords that say they are the horse of
> the Viking."
>
> Actually, there are no THE horse of the Vikings. First of all, who were the
> "vikings"? If you should look upon it critially, "vikings" were only a
> smaller group of people in the Scandinavian countries during the Viking Age
> (775-1060 AD). This has nothing to do with ethnicity, but with the fact that
> "viking" really mean seavoyagers. If we interpret "viking" that way, we
> understand that the number of "viking horses" most have been pretty low;o).
> Most people in Scandinavia during the Viking Age did not go on sea voyages,
> they were farmers.
>
> However, many people use "vikings" to cover all people, no matter how they
> supported themselves, living in the Scandinavian countries during the Viking
> Age. This means that there were vikings originating from several different
> countries according to today's borders. The people living in what today is
> parts of Norway and parts of western Sweden kept horses that are the
> ancestors of breeds we know today as fjord, doele, north-swedish horse and
> icelandic. In eastern Sweden, Denmark and other areas the "viking horse" was
> something else. Mabye these horses were related to the stock in Norway/west
> Sweden and mabye they were not. There's not much left to compare, but we know
> for sure that the Swedish pony-breed "russ", living on the island Gotland in
> the Baltic seems to be un-related to fjords/icelandic etc and the russ have
> been on the island since before the Viking Age. The people on Gotland during
> the Viking Age most probably kept russ, so here we got another "viking horse"!
>
> During the 19th and early 20th Centuries, many of the old farmbreeds faded
> away, because the Scandinavian governments wanted heavier and larger horses
> and therefore imported from England and Belgium. We all know that the fjord
> was almost gone, but was saved in the last minute. Not all breeds were that
> lucky. In Sweden we lost several breeds, among them the "f?rsing" which was
> the scanian "feral" horse (they had owners but were kept in the woods) which
> is the foundation for the Swedish warmblood. ONE photo is all that remains.
> We also had a very small pony breed (c. 10 hands) living on ?land, another
> Baltic island. They are gone too.
>
> The government in these days wanted pure breeds. Their idea of a "pure" horse
> was probably the TB-idea, written papers for many generations and horses
> originating from "noble" studs. The farmbreds didn't have that, but to fit in
> the system one started to try to make the different stocks of farmhorses into
> "breeds". Many breeds that we know today as recognised for only having one
> colour, originally were very rich in colour. To keep your breed alive it was
> important to show that it was really a "breed" in the means of the word that
> the government used it, so studbooks were opened and one started for the
> first time to decide WHAT was a vestlandshest compared to a oestlandhest etc.
>
> The vikings of course, did not have any of this. They wanted good horses and
> even though pedigree actually seem to have played some role, the most
> important thing was that the horse was good. But a good horse could be even
> better if he or she was originating from the herd of a great chieftain. This
> herd could be of mixed origin: horses that had been presented as gifts, taken
> in war or traded with somebody else together with horses that had been in the
> herd for generation.
>
> Probably some horses were imported to Scandinavia during the Viking Age too.
> These were probably used for breeding.
>
> During the Viking Age they didn't have "breeds" as we have them, the whole
> breed-idea probably arrived in Scandinavia later.
>
> So there is not ONE breed that truely can be called THE viking horse. The
> Icelandic horses are often referred to as the viking horse by it's fans, but
> the truth is that this stock was formed during the Viking Age (and later by
> selective breeding - outbreeding is only one way to change a breed), founded
> on horses from Norway and the British Isles. We didn't have any Icelandic
> horses in Sweden, not any fjords neither for the matter, so for our vikings,
> there must have been other horses.
>
> Now, mabye this didn't go as short and clear as I wanted. But I have to do
> some work, so if there are any strange things I try to do something about
> them later.
>
> Anneli
>
> *****************************************************
>
> Anneli Sundkvist
> Department of Archaeology & Ancient History
> Uppsala University
> St. Eriks Torg 5
> S-753 10 Uppsala
> Sweden
> Phone: +46-18-4716236
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:35:02 -0700
From: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fw: Holiday vacation
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There is a internet site called: Netlore, Rumors, Hoaxes and Urban Legends.
This is one of the hoaxes mentioned there. Actually there isn't any way for a
company to track where messages are forwarded.
Merry Holidays
pat
ttfn
John and Bev Sluss wrote:
> This message is from: "John and Bev Sluss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Holiday vacation
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dolly wilson
> To: John and Bev Sluss
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 11:44 PM
> Subject: Fw: Holiday vacation
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shirley Fischer
> To: dolly wilson
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 6:02 AM
> Subject: Fw: Holiday vacation
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shirley Fischer
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:53 AM
> Subject: Fw: Holiday vacation
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shirley Fischer
> To: Bev Leyk
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 5:50 AM
> Subject: Fw: Holiday vacation
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mary
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 11:33 PM
> Subject: Fw: Holiday vacation
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lindy Johnston
> To: Melissa Ostlie ; Patrick Johnston ; Pam Koska ; Kim & Wendell Schultz ;
> Kathy Ladwig ; Julie Dezurik ; John Ostland ; Brittney Traynor ; Angela
> Weidenbach
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:28 AM
> Subject: FW: Holiday vacation
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: *Splonskowski, Joann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:25 AM
> To: binkie duke; carolynn frohman; Darla Huravitch; Lindy Altrichter, AES
> International; Melissa Pohl; Tabby; Jean Livingood; Bement, Alecia; Johnson,
> Pat; Pieske, Gary
> Subject: Holiday vacation
>
> I'm thinking that when we get all of this money (wink, wink), we can all get
> together and go to that tropical island where the cabana boy's (and girls)
> play.
>
> > Subject: Fw: FW: FW: PLEEEEEASE READ!!!!!
> >
> > I know this is for the birds but what the heck!!! Enjoy your new-found
> > wealth!!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >
> > > > > To all of my friends, I do not usually forward
> > > > > messages, but this is from my good friend Pearlas
> > > > > Sanborn and she really is an attorney. If she says
> > > > > that this will work - it WILL work. After all, what
> > > > > have you got to lose?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SORRY EVERYBODY.....JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!!
> > > > > I'm an attorney, and I know the law. This thing is
> > > > > for real.
> > > > > Rest assured AOL and Intel will follow through with
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> > > > > dollar class action suit similar to the one filed by
> > > > > PepsiCo against General Electric not too long ago.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We're not going to help them out with their e-mail
> > > > > beta test without getting a little something for our
> > > > > time. My brother's girlfriend got in on this a few
> > > > > months ago. When I went to visit him for the
> > > > > Baylor/UT game.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > She showed me her check. It was for the sum of
> > > > > $4,324.44 and was stamped "Paid In Full". Like I said
> > > > > before, I know the law, and this is for real.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Intel and AOL are now discussing a merger which would
> > > > > make them the largest Internet company and in an
> > > > > effort make sure that AOL remains the most widely used
> > > > > program, Intel and AOL are running an e-mail beta
> > > > > test.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When you forward this e-mail to friends, Intel can and
> > > > > will track it (if you are a Microsoft Windows user)
> > > > > for a two week time period.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For every person that you forward this e-mail to,
> > > > > Microsoft will pay you $203.15.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For every person that you sent it to that forwards it
> > > > > on, Microsoft will pay you $156.29.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And for every third person that receives it, you will
> > > > > be paid $17.65. Within two weeks, Intel will contact
> > > > > you for your address and then send you a check.
> > > > > I thought this was a scam myself, but a friend of my
> > > > > good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel,
> > > > > actually got a check of $4,543.23 by forwarding this
> > > > > e-mail.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Try it, what have you got to lose????
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:22:06 -0800
From: "Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: West Coast Evaluation
This message is from: "Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
If there were to be a West Coast Evaluation, I would prefer to see it closer
to Oregon and Washington.
The Turlock Evaluation did not have the support of the California fjord
owners as much as they said they would.
There were about 12 other fjords there from California & Nevada. A handful
came form Oregon with the rest came from our barn or were bred by our farm
(We highly encouraged all our clients to bring their fjords that they
purchased from us.)
An evaluation at the Clark County Fairgrounds off of the I-5 hwy in
Washington State (as suggested by Becky Vorpagel) or in Olympia, Washington
(as suggested by Anne Appleby) for the fjord population in Northern
Washington, may be a better solution.
A survey of the fjord population in the western USA may be in order before
planning another NFHR Evaluation in Californian.
Please if you would like an NFHR Evaluation on the West Coast do speak up.
Tell NFHR where you would like to see one. You can contact the BOD through
Mike May on this list or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
These are my personal views on this subject.
Catherine Lassesen
Hestehaven
Days Creek Oregon
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:28:01 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: solar fencers (LONG!)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Solar chargers can work, but, like other people have already said,
they're not nearly as good as the regular plug-in kind. But if there's
no 'lectric, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Buy the best charger you can afford -- if you can spring for a 12 V
solar, do it. A 6 V charger often doesn't have enough juice to run a
long stretch of fence, especially if you have anything -- and it won't
take much -- grounding the wire out. Low impedance is good too.
Keep your fence as short as possible. If you are determined to use a
tape product for your electric fence, buy one that's specifically
recommended for solar. The wires in most tapes have too much electrical
resistance because the wires are way too thin. You won't get the snap
you need with that kind of tape.
After living with (and cussing out) a 6 V solar for several years, I
eventually found that I had the best luck with a heavy-gage steel wire
sold for electric fencing (can't remember the gage offhand). It had low
resistance so the solar worked really well and, best of all, the wire is
pretty cheap. If you want the wire to be more visible, you can run the
electric fencing tape with the wire if you want to. Alternatively, you
can tie on strips of plastic flagging tape every 10 feet or so -- the
kind surveyors or construction people use. Flagging tape is easy to use
and far cheaper than electric-fencing tape. I've done both, and don't
really have a preference as far as horse safety goes.
Digression: Now that I use a regular fencer, my favorite product,
especially for temporary electric fencing, is an inexpensive, thin,
twisted wire and plastic filament product. It looks like black and white
string a scant 1/8" in diameter. It's less expensive than tape. It is
far lighter and easier to handle than regular wire. I can quickly wind
it up on an inexpensive electric-cord reel when I need to take the fence
down. The reel prevents tangles and speeds the process of putting the
fence back up too. The horses also see this "string" surprisingly well.
Remember a horse doesn't have color vision like we do -- contrast is
more important than bright color -- it should contrast well both with
green grass and white snow. Actually, black & white work better for
horses than the brightest blaze orange.
Anyway, back to solar fencers: Make sure you can get parts for the
charger locally -- or keep important spares on hand. It is not at all
fun to have to make a two hour drive just to buy some little bitty $20
part the local Co-op doesn't happen to sell.
Ground the charger really well -- don't think that hooking the ground
wire to a metal T-post in your fence will be good enough. You can
sometimes get away with that with a regular charger, but it's not a good
idea even then.
Use at least one 8' long copper ground rod (preferably 2 or 3) close to
the charger. Locate the rod on the outside of the fence to prevent any
injuries to your horses. Use a T-post pounder gadget to pound the rod in
at least 5' to 5 1/2' deep. Why not pound it in deeper? Ideally, in a
permanent installation, you should. But solar chargers sometimes get
moved from one spot to another. If you leave a couple of feet of the
ground rod sticking out of the ground, you can carefully pull the rod
with a T-post puller if you later want to do so. Deeper and you'll have
problems pulling the rod easily.
Use a nice thick copper wire (12 gage or even thicker if you can) for
the ground wire -- don't just use the thin fence wire or tape for the
ground. Use a proper wire clamp to solidly connect the ground wire to
the rod. You should be able to get these clamps where you buy your
grounding rods.
Keep the fenceline really clean -- no grass, weeds, bugs, dead birds,
snow, whatever touching the hot wire. Regularly check the fenceline to
make sure deer jumping the fence haven't snagged the hot wire on things
that will ground it out.
If the fencer is on the other side of the road from your house and
located in an out of the way spot, it will be a serious temptation to
not check the fencer regularly. That's not a good idea, speaking from
personal experience. Put the charger in a spot that's convenient and
easy to get to -- right by a gate you'll use regularly, if you can.
Learn to listen to the snapping sound the fencer makes when it's running
right. Solars are pretty quiet compared to regular fencers, but they do
make a little sound when things are going right. The sound will change a
bit or even go silent when there's something wrong -- can't count on the
sound to always tell you there's trouble, but it's a good quick check.
Invest in a voltage tester that has a series of LED's -- the kind that
has more LED's that flash when the voltage is high and fewer when the
voltage is low. The brightness of the flashing is important too. Learn
what the flashing looks like when the fencer is working well, then you
can check the fence with the tester occasionally and know quickly if
there's a problem.
Good luck! It'll work, but you do have to be more careful with a solar
than with a regular charger.
DeeAnna
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:37:00 -0800
From: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: solar fencers (LONG!)
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I use aluminum wire designed for electric fencing. I presume it has even
lower resistance than steel. I use it because I believe it will break more
readily if a horse gets caught up in it.
>
>After living with (and cussing out) a 6 V solar for several years, I
>eventually found that I had the best luck with a heavy-gage steel wire
>sold for electric fencing (can't remember the gage offhand). It had low
>resistance so the solar worked really well and, best of all, the wire is
>pretty cheap.
Gail Russell
Forestville CA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:59:23 -0800
From: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: solar fencers (LONG!)
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> DeeAnna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> found that I had the best luck with a heavy-gage steel wire sold for
> electric fencing (can't remember the gage offhand). It had low
> resistance so the solar worked really well and, best of all, the
> wire is pretty cheap. If you want the wire to be more visible, you
> can run the electric fencing tape with the wire if you want
> to. Alternatively, you can tie on strips of plastic flagging tape
> every 10 feet or so -- the kind surveyors or construction people use.
First of all, the above post contained LOTS of good advice, which I
didn't reprint. I am only commenting on those areas where my
experience differs, or amplifies.
Our current place came with a bunch of electrified high-tensile
fencing. After making some modifications to it, I've decided that I
don't like HT---the thick, stiff wire is a PAIN to work with---so I'd
recommend making sure you're getting "ordinary" galvanized wire,
rather than HT. I agree that wire tends to hold up better than tape,
especially in a windy location. Wind isn't a problem here, but at our
California place, it would saw the tape thru the insulators, soon
breaking the tape.
I think I'd prefer to string one strand of tape (or the new "rope"
products, if wind is an issue) to make the fence more visible. My
experience with surveyor's flagging is that it's hard to make it stay
in the middle of fence spans, where it's needed for visibility. Also,
cattle find surveyor's tape to be delicious. I suspect that a Fjord
wouldn't be above sampling some, and I'm not sure how well it'll
digest.
Wildlife is another issue that has to figure into choosing tape vs
wire. In CA, we had a big problem with bucks in the rut getting their
antlers hung in the tape, and fighting it until it broke the tape.
Wire seemed to slide off their antlers easier.
> Now that I use a regular fencer, my favorite product, especially for
> temporary electric fencing, is an inexpensive, thin, twisted wire
> and plastic filament product. It looks like black and white string
> a scant 1/8" in diameter. [...] The horses also see this "string"
> surprisingly well.
In CA, I tried some yellow and black poly twine at first, but my old
mare couldn't see it. The 1/2" red/black or yellow/black tape worked
better for me. Here in OR, the cattle ranchers use a 3/4" white tape,
which is MUCH sturdier than the stuff sold in catalogs for horses.
(But, in this area, visibility against snow isn't an issue.) I use it
for temporary fencing, rolling it up on extension cord reels when I
want to move it.
> Invest in a voltage tester that has a series of LED's -- the kind that
> has more LED's that flash when the voltage is high and fewer when the
> voltage is low.
I'd recommend going one step further---invest in a digital voltage
tester. The LEDs are hard to read accurately in bright daylight
(although the digital display won't light up at night). For partial
shorts caused by vegetation or cracked insulators, debugging is easier
when you can determine, for instance, that there's 5.7 KV on one wire,
but only 5.2 KV on its neighbor.
I've also found it handy to install cut-out switches at various points
along the fence (usually gateways). That way, I can work my way back
from the far end of the fence, isolating chunks of fence, until I
locate the bad section, then go over it in more detail. In snow
country, you'll also want to arrange things such that you can easily
de-power the lower strands, one at a time, as the snow builds up
around the fence.
Marsha Jo Hannah Murphy must have been a horseman--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will!
15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:30:37 -0500
From: "Wild Flower Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Woodstock Show
This message is from: "Wild Flower Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi there:
Just wondering if anyone knows if the Fjord Show in Woodstock has a tentative
date for 2002. If anyone has information in regards to this show could you
please send them our way!!
If anyone is planing a Fjord Show for 2002 we would also appreciate any
information!
Thank you so much!!
Renee Lafleur
Wild Flower Fjord Farm
2565 Airport Road
Timmins, ON
P4N 7C3
1-705-268-0848
e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web site: www.geocities.com/Fjords2000
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 12:24:09 -0800
From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: solar powered fencer
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lori that is interesting about batteries not freezing. My tractor battery
always freezes and I had to buy a new one every year until I finally now
keep a 60 watt light over it. Jean
Jean Walters Gayle
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ]
http://users.techline.com/jgayle
Send $20
Three Horses Press
PO Box 104
Montesano, WA 98563
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com <fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com>
Date: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: solar powered fencer
>This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Jean Gayle wrote:
>
>> Lori, what happens to the batteries to the solar units when it
freezes??????
>> Jean
>
>Don't worry, a charged battery won't freeze - because it contains sulfuric
>acid (not water). This is just like your car battery won't freeze in the
>winter. If you let the charge run down a battery might freeze but the solar
>panel keeps it charged. We live in a place that gets very cold and this has
>never caused a problem with the fence.
>
>Lori
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