RE: [flexcoders] ANN: FlexUS (US Flex group on LinkedIn)

Hi Rich, I also run one group of Flex / Air Developers in the EMEA, this is the link http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/36795/75EBC32B9A47 -- Giorgio Natili Administrator ActionScript.it - AUG

Re: [flexcoders] ANYONE? LCDS Bug? Return from overriden ServiceAdapter manage() disregarded

Another 2 speculations 1. first request has to return 2K of junk as part of typical handshake and no valuable info - it is just to get subscription ID and stuff. It is typical to swallow the first 2K of messages and do not respond to them till the stream goes over 2K. Please use any debugging proxy

[flexcoders] ANN: FlexUS (US Flex group on LinkedIn)

For anyone that is interested / active on LinkedIn - there is a group for Flex coders in the US. http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/128295/45E3F22E5C9C Rick Winscot

[flexcoders] Re: ANYONE? LCDS Bug? Return from overriden ServiceAdapter manage() disregarded

Thanks, but the manage() method only gets called if you override the handlesSubscriptions() method to return true, and in LCDS if you call the super.manage(command) for a subscribe operation when you indicated you will be handling subscriptions it throws an exception. BlazeDS will allow you to

[flexcoders] Flex Application will not refresh properly

I am having problems viewing the changes in my application on refresh. I have to actually close my browser and open up a new session before my changes will be seen. This is not only a local problem, it also happens when I push out new versions of my application to our servers. It seems as though

Re: [flexcoders] ANYONE? LCDS Bug? Return from overriden ServiceAdapter manage() disregarded

Hi, A pure 100% guess... Perhaps you need to call super.manage(command). Steven Toth wrote: > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Toth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I have a custom adapter I'm using for messaging. This code works > > in > >>BlazeDS, but when I try it in LiveCycle

[flexcoders] Very Strange Behavior

I have a Panel with a Tab Navigator and two Divided Boxes with DataGrids. I am not sure why I can't get dgShorts to load properly... any ideas? It will only load if it's brought to the to front before I bind it to the array collection, whereas the dgResults (first) datagrid will load fine either f

[flexcoders] Re: Flex Builder 3 plugin problems opening perspective

OK, I had to run the eclipse as administrator, then I was able to add the perspective... Zdenek M --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Zdenek Mikan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I had some problems with my installation of Flex Builder 3 plugin in > Eclipse 3.3.2 in Windows Vista (design view stop

[flexcoders] ANYONE? LCDS Bug? Return from overriden ServiceAdapter manage() disregarded

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Steven Toth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a custom adapter I'm using for messaging. This code works in > BlazeDS, but when I try it in LiveCycle DS it does not work. The > return value (a new AckknowledgeMessage I created) from my overriden > manag

Re: [flexcoders] Scrolling - Firefox 2/3 vs IE

It wouldn't be that you're doing anything strange w/ one of those classes, but you might be hitting a subtle idiosyncrasy of their functionality. But then again, this is only an educated guess, and you know your code better than i do. - Daniel Freiman On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Richard Rod

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Printing full page w/ no margins

I have tried changing margins, even changed printers and I can still not print anything in the bottom 10th or right 10th of the page. I¹ve changed scale-modes and width, heights, percent donkeys Everything I can think of. If I print an image out that is too big for one page and do scaleMode =

[flexcoders] Flex Builder 3 plugin problems opening perspective

I had some problems with my installation of Flex Builder 3 plugin in Eclipse 3.3.2 in Windows Vista (design view stopped working) so I tried to reinstall Flex Builder. But after reinstallation I am not able to open the Flex Development Perspective - the alert says Problems opening perspective

[flexcoders] Re: Library Project Help

Is there a good resource/tutorial on Library projects. The process for importing and using seperate mxml files seems to be different from a standard Flex project. For example, I have several popup windows. They are in the same sub- folder as the main file of the component. In a standard project,

Re: [flexcoders] accessing MXML components

No, event listeners are attached to instances, the method would have to be non-static. What would happen if you called MyButtonBar.addNextBtnListener when there were no instances of MyButtonBar at all. -Josh On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 3:55 AM, Ivan Bojer (ivbojer) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi f

[flexcoders] - CDATA without the whitespace mangling?

Hey guys, Is it possible to do use

RE: [flexcoders] Populating Multiple Arrays in Flex using e4x

In you inner loop, use the current node as the starting point for the XMLList expression: for each (var p:XML in x..svnpath) Tracy From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick McDaniel Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:09 PM To: fl

RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex Efficiency

The 'red' is a region that is getting updated. big regions means that you are triggering large scale displaylist operations which can slow an app down. If the regions are small - then the performance is more than likely related to resource allocation. Without some code to see - it is difficult to t

RE: [flexcoders] Setting width doesn't resize component immediately

Try calling validateNow() on the parent after changing the width of the left child. - Gordon From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wwwpl Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:32 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoder

[flexcoders] Populating Multiple Arrays in Flex using e4x

Hello All, I'm having trouble figuring out how to populate two arrays in flex. Currently I have XML output that describes Subversion log information. So there are multiple logs and within those logs there are multiple files that have changed. My current (and wrong) approach is to run a for ea

[flexcoders] Setting width doesn't resize component immediately

I have a custom component I will call the parent with 2 side by side children. The left child has a width of 200 and the right child has a width of 800 and parent width == 1000. On a mouse click event I change the width of the left child to 980. I then start an animation of the right child t

Re: [flexcoders] Scrolling - Firefox 2/3 vs IE

I spoke too soon. Firefox 3 on Mac is OK. Firefox 2 on WIndows is OK. Firefox 3 and IE on Windows are not. We're using SWFObject 2. I don't believe I'm doing anything funky with Stage, Application or SystemManager. Portions of the layout are created at runtime, and I naturally suspect my somewhat-

Re: [flexcoders] Server to client calls

Luciano, You need about 1 week of development. In steps : 1. Pick up eIther LCDS with RTMP, BlazeDS with "long" request or LCDS 2.6 - any technology that supports "Subscription" object 2. Modifty client-side end-point for "Subscription" object to scan for particular type of the object you will use

[flexcoders] Looking for a top-notch Flex/AIR developer

My apologies if this does not belong here or if it's breaking any rules. I am a flex developer with a lot of experience, limited time, and several projects in development. I'm looking to recruit someone to help out with the projects in exchange for partial ownership. If you or anyone you know wo

[flexcoders] Can no longer quit my AIR app

AIR updated itself this morning, and now it seems I can no longer quit an app I'm developing using Apple-Q on my Mac or by choosing "Quit" from the Dock/Menu bar. It is quite possible something in my code broke this but I haven't found any likely culprits yet. Has anyone seen an issue like this in

Re: RES: [flexcoders] Server to client calls

BlazeDS has some examples of dispatching events from Java but in your Flex application you will have to set up consumer to listen(pole) for messages. Sample in BlazeDS: http://localhost:8400/samples/#traderdesktop Start the feed triggers a JSP with code like this... Feed feed = new Feed(); feed.

Re: [flexcoders] Here's a great idea for flex 4 - simple color pallette utility

Have you filed a feature request for this, Patrick? It'll get my vote. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd vote for this too, especially if it was something that came up in > the IDE as part of the code hinting for color style tags. > > > On Mon, Jun 23

[flexcoders] Re: FlexBook - a couple of questions

Hi Steve Thanks for your reply - you got me going in the right direction so I got it solved - Thanks :-D Best regards, Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "valdhor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Go to http://demo.quietlyscheming.com/book/app.html and download the > source. The demo allows y

[flexcoders] Re: Flex server "push" solutions?

BlazeDS is an open source project (i.e. free) and it provides a good number of data push options (polling, long-polling, streaming). -Mete --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Piller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > You can try WebORB as well. It is free, but not open source. >

Re: [flexcoders] Here's a great idea for flex 4 - simple color pallette utility

I'd vote for this too, especially if it was something that came up in the IDE as part of the code hinting for color style tags. On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Paddy Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > great idea ;) > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on

RES: [flexcoders] Server to client calls

Hi, i've just seen the way with Producer/Consumer, but, its just too much "automated". Is there an way that i may dispatch a consumer event to flex within Java? I need to dispatch an event, to some clients, without any user interaction. In FMS, there is a collection of the current clients, an

Re: [flexcoders] Abstract type and cannot be instantiated.

AS3 doesn't support abstract classes, but sometimes libaries will get around this by creating a class that functions like an abstract class and have each function throw a custom error unless the function is overridden. So it looks like something in the sax library is throwing that. - Daniel Freim

RE: [flexcoders] Here's a great idea for flex 4 - simple color pallette utility

great idea ;) From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com on behalf of djhatrick Sent: Mon 23/06/2008 19:44 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Here's a great idea for flex 4 - simple color pallette utility How about a simple color browser, say if you ha

[flexcoders] Abstract type and cannot be instantiated.

Hi, Is there a way around this? Is it true that AS 3 does *not* support abstract classes (classes that cannot be instantiated, only extended)? I'm getting this error from my flex application: org.xml.sax.SAXException: {urn:core_2008_1.platform.webservices.netsuite.com}Record is an abstract type

[flexcoders] Here's a great idea for flex 4 - simple color pallette utility

How about a simple color browser, say if you have a hex color in your code and you want to see the value, you can highlight the color and then a little window you show you the color, without having to switch to design view. I have used flex for 2 years now, and don't really use the need for desig

[flexcoders] Re: AIR Gmail rss reader

I should probably also mention that the reason I decided to try this in AIR is because neither FeedDemon, nor FeedReader are able to do it either, and I got tired of missing important emails because my browser wasn't open. Strangely though, Firefox has no trouble opening the feed. Spike On Mon,

RES: [flexcoders] callLater() question about "next screen refresh"

Hi, the "next screen refresh" will be the next frame that flash player renders it. If you work at 12fps (frames per second), the callLater method will be executed 83ms after the call. De: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de wwwpl Envi

[flexcoders] Server to client calls

Hi there, It is possible with LCDS, BlazeDS or some similar DS to call flex client methods from the server? If not, this is only possible with FMS? Thanks in advance.

[flexcoders] Re: AIR Gmail rss reader

Oh, I meant to say, I got this working fine with the regular feed URL below, but the mail for domains feed is failing: http://mail.google.com/a/spike.org.uk/feed/atom/unread Obviously you'll need a google apps account to test this. Spike On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Spike <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [flexcoders] Some interesting flexcoders stats

I'm sure we could figure it out by doing some big correlation of the data, but I don't think it's worth it at this point and I don't have the time. Create your list, mail it out, move on. Matt On 6/23/08 11:16 AM, "Anatole Tartakovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matt, I believe it star

[flexcoders] callLater() question about "next screen refresh"

The Flex documentation says this about callLater(): "The callLater() method queues an operation to be performed for the next screen refresh" What does next screen refresh mean? What if I invoke a callLater right before an accordion starts its tween effects? Does the next screen refresh happ

Re: [flexcoders] Some interesting flexcoders stats

Matt, I believe it starts with "individual" as default - is there way to find out dynamics on turning off individual email and retention numbers on "None"? Thank you, Anatole On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Digest 1867 > Individual 3756 > None 3588

[flexcoders] AIR Gmail rss reader

Has anyone managed to successfully connect an AIR app to a label in the Gmail rss feed. Say the unread messages feed for example: http://mail.google.com/mail/feed/atom/unread The main problem is that it requires both http authentication, and SSL. Since you can't use setCredentials() on a standar

Re: [flexcoders] Some interesting flexcoders stats

Digest 1867 Individual 3756 None 3588 Special notices 791 On 6/23/08 9:31 AM, "Anatole Tartakovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matt, Any chance to find out how many out of 10K get daily mails, digest or just web access? Thank you, Anatole On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Matt Chotin

[flexcoders] accessing MXML components

Hi folks, I have a simple 'paging' button bar like this: http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml";> Is it possible to attach a button click listener to click method from the static function I provided above? I know I could detect 'click' on button and then call all of the listeners, but

RE: [flexcoders] Re: Test contro height question

Please file a new bug then. Gordon Smith Adobe Flex SDK Team From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of I am Peter, not Lena Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:43 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Test con

RE: [flexcoders] Automatic programatically controls binding (i18n)

In MXML components you can simply use databinding expressions like but in AS3 components you need to override resourcesChanged() -- which gets called when the ResourceManager's localeChain changes -- and reset the label. - Gordon From: flexcod

[flexcoders] Re: Test contro height question

Thanks Paddy. I'm not sure it is the same problem. I removed the runtime css but I'm still getting the same auto sizing problem (i.e., the height of the text is not wrapping and there is only a single line). --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Paddy Keane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it could b

RE: [flexcoders] Problem While Downcasting Flex Modules

Good design involves modularity and abstraction. Your modules should be thought of as abstractions otherwise they probably aren't good modules. In cases where you need to know more, you can define an interface that allows you to query a modules for what is in it. More commonly, folks have a ce

Re: [flexcoders] Some interesting flexcoders stats

Matt, Any chance to find out how many out of 10K get daily mails, digest or just web access? Thank you, Anatole On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey folks, > > Given the recent big thread on the subject that shall not be named, my > colleague Suchit w

RE: [flexcoders] How to Control SWF animation

If the SWFs are not published for player 9, then you need to communicate with them via localconnection or externalinterface. http://www.gskinner.com/blog/archives/2007/07/swfbridge_easie.html http://tracethis.com/archives/20

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Some interesting flexcoders stats

Ah, at first I'm just going to have one big table, with columns for date, subject (normalized to removed string like RE: and [flexcoders] I think), and sender (name of sender, not email address). On the first pass I'm only going to get the date, not the full timestamp of each message, but I might m

Re: [flexcoders] Scrolling - Firefox 2/3 vs IE

The flex framework shouldn't care about the browser, so in some way this will probably be traced back to the player (Stage, Application, SystemManager or their events?). In all cases where I have seen things like this, the previous statement has turned out to be true. - Daniel Freiman On Sun, Ju

RE: [flexcoders] SLIGHTLY OT: Problems Generating PDF from Flex using CFDOCUMENT

For the edification of others it was a keystore issue. CF needs to trust a certificate before it can get content using SSL. Jeff -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Battershall, Jeff Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:51 AM To: flexcoders@

[flexcoders] Re: Flex server "push" solutions?

Hi Mark, You can try WebORB as well. It is free, but not open source. http://www.themidnightcoders.com/weborb/dotnet/ Cheers, Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "markflex2007" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I need server "push" feature in my application,I know LCDS and BlazeDS > ca

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Context menu

You can't get rid of those two (limitation of the player). - Daniel Freiman On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, markgoldin_2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am using this: > var menu:ContextMenu = new ContextMenu(); > menu.hideBuiltInItems(); > but when I run my program and click on a cell with

[flexcoders] Re: Flex Efficiency

Yes, I see a lot of red. What does this mean? How can it be fixed? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Winscot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right click on the app and show your redraw regions. is there a solid red > rectangle around the entire application? If so - the entire stage is getti

Re: [flexcoders] Is an event dispatched when an AIR app is closing?

I love the easy ones. Look into the Closing and Close events. http://livedocs.adobe.com/flex/3/langref/mx/core/WindowedApplication.html Daniel Gold wrote: I'm working on an online/offline AIR app and was wondering if there was any way to detect that an AIR app is closing so I can cache my

[flexcoders] Re: Flex Efficiency

I know that if you try to add the same component to one container after another, it will remove it from the previous container and add it to the next. To achieve what you're looking for, you need to clone it then add it. You might have already known this, but that sounds like the problem to me. -

[flexcoders] DateFormatter gives weird results

So I have some code which formats milliseconds (for a video player) in to NN:SS format. When I try to add the hours (JJ:NN:SS), DateFormatter adds 19 hours to the result. WTF? Code Below: private function formatTime(item:Date):String { return dateFormatter.format(item);

RE: [flexcoders] Flex server "push" solutions?

BlazeDS is open source and free. Gk. Gregor Kiddie Senior Developer INPS Tel: 01382 564343 Registered address: The Bread Factory, 1a Broughton Street, London SW8 3QJ Registered Number: 1788577 Registered in the UK Visit our Internet Web site at www.inps.co.uk http://www.inps.co.uk/>

[flexcoders] Re: What could keep debug mode from working

Please see this bug: http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FB-13064 It seems that when you are running Firefox 3 along with just about any Firefox extension (not just Greasemonkey), Flex Builder debugging doesn't work. Don't worry, we're working to figure out exactly where the problem is and how

[flexcoders] Flex server "push" solutions?

Hi, I need server "push" feature in my application,I know LCDS and BlazeDS can do that. I also try Lightstreamer and it also can do that. But they are very expensive,do you know other Flex open source project that also provide "push" feature and it is easy to use. Thanks a lot Mark

[flexcoders] SLIGHTLY OT: Problems Generating PDF from Flex using CFDOCUMENT

I'm taking a image snapshot of some report output and sending it back to the server as a bytearray (encoded for JPEG), writing it to disk and then creating a PDF using CFDOCUMENT. The Flex portion seems to work fine - the image is successfully written to disk, looks fine but I can't seem to get th

[flexcoders] Re: Change cell's background

O, that number was just for testing. I was hoping I would be able to achieve that without going into custom design. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Hoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1000 isn't a valid color uint, try 0x00 or "#00". Setting > the background color of an

Re: [flexcoders] Re: What could keep debug mode from working

You mean is not possible debug flex and use Grasemonkey??? = VELO On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 7:14 AM, justSteve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry...just found the FF3 thread. - working on removing Greasemonkey > now. > >

[flexcoders] Re: warning: multiple describeType entries for 'selectedItem'

I'm running into the same warning, the binding works though. Anybody able to figure out why this is happening?

RE: [flexcoders] Server side sorting and paging while scrolling

Follow the examples Matt Chotin gave on large data sets (yes they are very old but they still work!). We based our solution on these posts. http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mchotin/archives/2004/03/large_data_sets.h tml http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mchotin/archives/2004/04/large_data_sets_1 .html

RES: [flexcoders] Getting referer url

Hi, you can do that with "application.url": import mx.core.Application; Application.application.url De: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de luis_roman_am Enviada em: segunda-feira, 23 de junho de 2008 05:20 Para: flexcoders@yah

[flexcoders] Database Changes not recognized

I added two field to the Mamp database (local) then did a create app from database and it did not include them. I quit out, restarted, rebooted the machine, etc etc. This is insane. What is going on here, why does the app have the memory of an elephant for the original data structure and refuse

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Return data to FileReference

Worked as expected. Thanks to all of you. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Rich Tretola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will try this Monday morning and let you all know how it works out. > > Thanks > Rich > > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Tracy Spratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yeah, I shou

[flexcoders] Automatic programatically controls binding (i18n)

Hello, recently i could make my app in two langs, but i have one problem, i wrote a class "I18n" with one static method called "getLanguageSelector" who gives me a Label and a ComboBox in a container. In the combobox the user can change his language. When the user changes his language, the app chan

[flexcoders] How to Control SWF animation

Hi All, I need to control the SWFs in my application.Stop and Play is enough.In the application i am working is, downloading SWF from a server and the downloaded SWF needs to play in the screen but there is no communication between that SWF and flex.I can play this SWF after downloading, but i cou

[flexcoders] Getting referer url

How would you do this? It´s possible to do this in actionscript without using javascript?

[flexcoders] Server side sorting and paging while scrolling

Hi, I have a requirement which is as follows: "Initially bind first 10 records from 5000 reocrds to the datagrid. On scrolling the scrollbar i need to bind another set of records and so on. Scrolling should be on done both upwards and downwards. i.e. when we go upwards we need to get previous se

[flexcoders] AIR/LCDS/EJB Authentication lost when a different RTMP worker thread is used

Hi! I am setting up the security for Flex to work together with the EJB 3 Container security. The user should login within the AIR application via a custom login screen and the authentication should be verified against the configured JBoss login module. For all further ds requests the authorizatio

[flexcoders] Change the header color of the clicked column

Hi, Can anyone help me in changing the header color of the clicked column on implementing sorting? Please help me in solving this. Thanks in advance.

[flexcoders] Re: Some interesting flexcoders stats

Sorry, I meant what would the tables look like (model)? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Doug McCune" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm planning on letting people download the sqlite database file. > That's a single file (with the .db extension I think) that you can > load into any air app and

[flexcoders] Re: LinkBar - Image instead of text?

Already found the answer. http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml"; layout="vertical" verticalAlign="middle" backgroundColor="white"> Sorry, -c. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "cesarerocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

[flexcoders] LinkBar - Image instead of text?

Hi, can I put an image, instead of a string, as an item in a linkbar? Thanks, -c.

[flexcoders] Re: What could keep debug mode from working

Sorry...just found the FF3 thread. - working on removing Greasemonkey now.

[flexcoders] What could keep debug mode from working

Last week working in FB3 the debug mode worked as it always had...F11 would switch perspective to Flex Debugging (if not already there) and would stop at breakpoints. Opening it up today I find that none of my projects are hitting any breakpoints. I can manually switch between Dev and Debug perspec

Re: [flexcoders] Problem While Downcasting Flex Modules

Alex thanks for your reply, basically my application has total 10 screens and 6 out 10 screens will be used in other flex applcations , so what i have decided is to make all 10 screens as module and 10 presenter classes for each module. (Do you think it is a good approach?). Now as you said use