Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-28 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 25 Apr 2008, valdhor wrote: True. But they would need to know the location (It is not in the WSDL), the username and the password. All of which are sent over the wire. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to widespreadedly exploit scalable interfaces on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-28 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 25 Apr 2008, Randy Martin wrote: I've never actually done this, but can't you encrypt the credentials in Flex, send them to the webservice, and decrypt them in the service? Yes, you could. But I can write my own client that just does the same thing. -- Tom Chiverton Helping to

[flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-28 Thread valdhor
Tom Are we on the same page here? We use SSL Encryption of the username and password as well as the data going over the wire. Are you saying that it is trivial for someone to find out the source and destination of the encrypted SSL stream, grab this data off the wire and decrypt it? --- In

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-28 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 28 Apr 2008, valdhor wrote: We use SSL Encryption of the username and password as well as the data going over the wire. Uh huh. Are you saying that it is trivial for someone to find out the source and destination of the encrypted SSL stream, grab this data off the wire and decrypt

[flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-28 Thread valdhor
Hmmm - I will have to check out WebScarab. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 28 Apr 2008, valdhor wrote: We use SSL Encryption of the username and password as well as the data going over the wire. Uh huh. Are you saying that it is

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-28 Thread Douglas Knudsen
this is similar to ServiceCapture, Charles, Wireshark, etc, eh? They are 'man-in-the-middle' tools. They have to be installed and running on the PC to intercept/view any http/https requests. Tom, you are merely suggesting that it is possible that a user could have a man-in-the-middle

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-28 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Monday 28 Apr 2008, Douglas Knudsen wrote: Tom, you are merely suggesting that it is possible that a user could have a man-in-the-middle virus/proggy running unbeknownst to them? I belive the original problem was that end users might try and write their own client, using the same services

[flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-25 Thread valdhor
We don't use Flex to access our Web Services; We use PHP or Perl. To stop unauthorized access we use a combination of SSL as well as wssecurity (http://docs.oasis-open.org/wss/2004/01/oasis-200401-wss-wssecurity-secext-1.0.xsd). I don't know if Flex allows you to create SOAP Headers but if it

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-25 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Friday 25 Apr 2008, valdhor wrote: We don't use Flex to access our Web Services; We use PHP or Perl. To stop unauthorized access we use a combination of SSL as well as wssecurity Just to be clear, this doesn't 'stop' anyone writing their own client for your service. -- Tom Chiverton

[flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-25 Thread Randy Martin
I've never actually done this, but can't you encrypt the credentials in Flex, send them to the webservice, and decrypt them in the service? ~randy --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 25 Apr 2008, valdhor wrote: We don't use Flex to access our

[flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-25 Thread Randy Martin
Check out the AS3Crypto library at http://crypto.hurlant.com/ http://crypto.hurlant.com/ ~randy --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Randy Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never actually done this, but can't you encrypt the credentials in Flex, send them to the webservice, and decrypt

RE: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-25 Thread Battershall, Jeff
-Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:05 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service On Friday 25 Apr 2008, valdhor wrote: We don't use

[flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-25 Thread valdhor
True. But they would need to know the location (It is not in the WSDL), the username and the password. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 25 Apr 2008, valdhor wrote: We don't use Flex to access our Web Services; We use PHP or Perl. To stop

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Best way to secure a ColdFusion web service

2008-04-25 Thread dnk
SSL is key (assuming it blocks out the data) as, It is pretty trivial to find the service location, and even the method names with something like service capture. So unless the traffic is over SSL, you can easily see things like id's and passwords passed into the services. I am curious to