Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-09 Thread Tom Thompson
Charles, Yes you are correct. In my previous post I failed to take the square root so the turns are 3 instead of 11. Also, if you are building a choke balun for your coax, type 43 material is preferable to type 77 material because it will not saturate as easily as type 77 material. I have

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-08 Thread Tom Thompson
Charles, The equation is: L = (N2*Al) / 100 where L is in mh or L = (N2*Al) / 1000 where L is in uh. Using an Al = 1270 with one turn, then L = 1.27 uh. If N is doubled to two then L = 22*Al/1000 or 5.08 uh. You have two errors in your text. You switched from mh to uh and you failed

[Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Charles Greene
Hi, I am getting some RF feedback when I use a Linear amp that causes the USB to Parallel connection to occasionally disconnect. The system ground is about as good as I can reasonably get it except for the Laptop itself. It doesn't happen with the SDR-1000 100 watt amp. There doesn't appear

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Tom Thompson
Charles, Get an FT-114-77 ferrite toroid from Palomar Engineering and wrap as many turns of the USB cable as you can on the core. Tom W0IVJ Charles Greene wrote: Hi, I am getting some RF feedback when I use a Linear amp that causes the USB to Parallel connection to occasionally

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Jim Rogers
You did not tell us much about your setup there, so this will be pretty broad. Some likely sources of rfi are the coax cabling if you are feeding your antennas with coax, and/or the interconnects between your individual pieces of gear. You must get the rf off the outer shields. RF

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Tom Thompson
If you are a open wire feeders are best sort of guy, good luck... The reason open wire feeders are zero loss is that the feeders themselves radiate. The reason open wire feeders radiate is because the current in the two wires are unbalanced. If you balance the currents, the loss remains

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread ah6jr
Correct me if I am wrong here but, open wire feeders by themselves are balanced - its the load they feed into which determines if the system is balanced or unbalanced. Stan AH6JR On Wednesday 07 March 2007 5:54 am, Tom Thompson wrote: If you are a open wire feeders are best sort of

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread petervn
. Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Jim Rogers Verzonden: wo 7-3-2007 16:23 Aan: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Onderwerp: Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop You did not tell us much about your setup there, so this will be pretty broad. Some likely sources of rfi

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Dudley Hurry
Charles, Grounding laptops is a problem, and you have to be careful due to the fact that sometimes there powersupply voltage on the internal ground is really not at ground. Many laptop powersupplies do not have a ground connection to the AC and to keep the weight down, much of the RFI

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Tim Ellison
-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop Charles, Grounding laptops is a problem, and you have to be careful due to the fact that sometimes there powersupply voltage on the internal ground is really not at ground. Many laptop powersupplies do not have a ground connection to the AC

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Jim Lux
At 08:06 AM 3/7/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to strongly oppose your ideas on ballanced feeders Jim. If the currents in both wires is ballanced open lines do not radiate. If they happen to radiate that radiation is seen as loss (loss is the difference between input and output of the

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread petervn
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: wo 7-3-2007 18:52 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jim Rogers; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Onderwerp: Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop At 08:06 AM 3/7/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to strongly oppose your ideas on ballanced feeders Jim. If the currents in both wires

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Charles Greene
Dudley, Tnx for the info. The power supply, like all Laptop supplies I have ever seen, is DC, 12 volts or so. Of course the DC supply has an AC connection, so I can add a RFI filter to that. I will try it on the battery and see if the USB connection still drops, and with the network

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Jim Lux
At 11:28 AM 3/7/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right Jim, aboud the losses, I worked to much with UHF/SHF lately I think Yep.. it's that darned 1 dB/ft at 30 GHz thing for coax, and worrying about dielectric losses in PC boards, etc. Your mind immediately springs to dielectric loss, not

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Charles Greene
Jim, When my coax feed lines come into the house in the basement, they have a 1:1 balun. The Windom has an air balun consisting of about 30 turns of RG8x on a 2 gallon chlorox bottle. I had big RFI problems with another linear before the balun. The feed line for the Hustler 6BTV vertical

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Charles Greene
That sounds like a good EMI filter. Wouldn't a F-140-43 core be better? (more turns, and better performance at HF? I don't know, just asking). C At 10:19 AM 3/7/2007, Tom Thompson wrote: Charles, Get an FT-114-77 ferrite toroid from Palomar Engineering and wrap as many turns of the USB

Re: [Flexradio] Grounding Laptop

2007-03-07 Thread Tom Thompson
Charles, You are correct about the F-140 because of its increased size, but the 77 material has an initial permeability of 1800 as opposed to the initial permeability of 850 for 43 material. The 1800 initial permeability will yield more inductance per turn , and a core with multiple turns