Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> WHAT??? > > Design maneuvering speed is "Va" and is simply and _only_ > Va = Vs * sqrt(g load limit) > > You can be sure that an aircraft manufacturer would have a whole lot of > patents if they had a method to recognize all the situations that can > cause structural overloading and recover befo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: runway lights

2002-02-08 Thread Roman Grigoriev
- Original Message - From: "Melchior FRANZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Re: runway lights > * Roman Grigoriev -- Friday 08 February 2002 13:52: > > If you want to enable runway lights on linux > [...] >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:13:31 -0600, "Jon S. Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Wrong. It was an A320 where the display pilot (some time after >> > 'first flight') switched off major protective modes of the FCS. >> > He did this to show that he could fly the A320 'party trick' of >> > a low, s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Alex Perry
> The statement in question is this: > Many pilots have not been made aware that full rudder inputs, > under certain conditions, can jeopardize the integrity of the > vertical tail fin and that in some airline modes, rudder > deflections can be achieved with relatively small pe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Alex Perry
> One would think that, > unlike a Bonanza, a modern commercial transport > would limit the ability of the > pilots to damage their own aircraft via structural > filters and limiters. WHAT??? Design maneuvering speed is "Va" and is simply and _only_ Va = Vs * sqrt(g load limit) Where Vs is th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: UIUC Usage Change

2002-02-08 Thread Alex Perry
> Anyway, like I said, I'll go with the flow on whatever the consensus is, > but I would really prefer a situation where rm -rf Aircraft/whatever > would remove an entire plane. Does it make sense? To me, yes. I would like every directory to contain a file that lists the relative path to every ex

[Flightgear-devel] 747-yasim panel

2002-02-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
The 747-yasim-set.xml file references a non-existant panel. Is there something better we can use in the mean time? Or just not specify a panel until we have one we can use? Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:13:31 -0600, "Jon S. Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >http://www.aviationcrashes.com/cvr/af296tr.html -- David Farrent and Dougie O'Hara on the Cold War role of the ROC: 'What a world of sorrow is hidden in those few words - "[Post attack] crew changes would have be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> > Wrong. It was an A320 where the display pilot (some time after > > 'first flight') switched off major protective modes of the FCS. > > He did this to show that he could fly the A320 'party trick' of > > a low, slow, high alpha pass with safety (due to FCS protection) > > manually. He couldn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> >Airbus > >has had its share of problems with 'smart' FCS, though. I still remember the > >video of that Airbus (A-300?) inaugural flight that plowed a section of forest > >when trying to takeoff after a low-speed pass over the runway, when the FCS > >insisted that the aircraft was landing and c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:46:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> What this doesn't address is why the tail of this particular airliner >> fell off while it was travelling at a comparatively modest speed. >> Anything over 250 kts would have been illegal at that altitude and >> would have been REALLY p

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:06:37 -0800, Andy Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Cameron Moore wrote: > > "Safety board says pilots can cause tail fin to break off" > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/08/ntsb.flight587/index.html > > > > IANAPNAE, but this sounds like they're blaming the pilot for a wea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread jsb
> What this doesn't address is why the tail of this particular airliner > fell off while it was travelling at a comparatively modest speed. > Anything over 250 kts would have been illegal at that altitude and > would have been REALLY played up by the media. But the point is > valid; the NTSB quiz

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread jsb
> > There's politics at work here somewhere. The actual statement by the > > NTSB was actually fairly straightforward and plausible. But the fact > > that it was made at a podium in front of a room full of reporters > > pretty much guaranteed that the "pilot error" angle would be played > > up.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Tony Peden
On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 15:06, Andy Ross wrote: > Cameron Moore wrote: > > "Safety board says pilots can cause tail fin to break off" > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/08/ntsb.flight587/index.html > > > > IANAPNAE, but this sounds like they're blaming the pilot for a weak > > tail fin. Thoug

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Andy Ross
Cameron Moore wrote: > "Safety board says pilots can cause tail fin to break off" > http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/08/ntsb.flight587/index.html > > IANAPNAE, but this sounds like they're blaming the pilot for a weak > tail fin. Thought it was interesting... There's politics at work here so

[Flightgear-devel] OT: Easy on the rudder there, Cowboy

2002-02-08 Thread Cameron Moore
"Safety board says pilots can cause tail fin to break off" http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/02/08/ntsb.flight587/index.html IANAPNAE, but this sounds like they're blaming the pilot for a weak tail fin. Thought it was interesting... (IANAPOAAE: I Am Not A Pilot Nor An Engineer) -- Cameron Moore [ A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-16 panel

2002-02-08 Thread Gene Buckle
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Erik Hofman wrote: > Gene Buckle wrote: > > > Is there any way you could convert that to a jpg or png? IE goes bugnuts > > over that rgb image. :( > > > Sorry, I keep forgetting that: > > http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/f16-panel.png > > Erik Thanks Erik. Ver

Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-16 panel

2002-02-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Gene Buckle wrote: > Is there any way you could convert that to a jpg or png? IE goes bugnuts > over that rgb image. :( Sorry, I keep forgetting that: http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/f16-panel.png Erik > On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, John Check wrote: > > >>On Wednesday 31 December 1969

Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-16 panel

2002-02-08 Thread Jim Wilson
Can we tile the panel background...i mean rather than having one single texture? Doing so could make it possible to have cleaner looking 2D panels and allow textures like this one to work on hardware that only supports 256x256 (like my voodoo3 :)) Best, Jim Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said

Re:[Flightgear-devel] F-16 panel

2002-02-08 Thread Gene Buckle
Is there any way you could convert that to a jpg or png? IE goes bugnuts over that rgb image. :( g. On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, John Check wrote: > On Wednesday 31 December 1969 06:59 pm, you wrote: > > > > > > Here is a first glance on an F-16 panel I'm working on: > > > > http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/

Re:[Flightgear-devel] F-16 panel

2002-02-08 Thread John Check
On Wednesday 31 December 1969 06:59 pm, you wrote: > > > Here is a first glance on an F-16 panel I'm working on: > > http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/f16-panel.rgb > > > Erik > > Nice! ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://m

Re:[Flightgear-devel] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: UIUC Usage Change

2002-02-08 Thread John Check
On Wednesday 31 December 1969 06:59 pm, you wrote: > > Contributions for the other init files are very welcome. > > When adapting the Beech99 init file for the Marchetti i encountered that > there appears no real standard on where the panel files do ahve to reside. > C310 panel resides in Aircraf

[Flightgear-devel] LED font

2002-02-08 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* John Check -- Friday 08 February 2002 19:28: > I have an LED font around someplace, but we need to be able to use > more than one font as someone else pointed out. I hope yours is better than mine. It isn't really easy to make it look good even after scaling. http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a860

[Flightgear-devel] Re:

2002-02-08 Thread John Check
On Wednesday 31 December 1969 06:59 pm, you wrote: > id 16ZDNN-0005it-00 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:55:49 + > From: "D Luff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >

[Flightgear-devel] F-16 panel

2002-02-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Here is a first glance on an F-16 panel I'm working on: http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/download/f16-panel.rgb Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] X-15 rumble sound

2002-02-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > >>I'd really like to have a good XLR-99 rumble sound. Right now I don't recall >>there being any audio indication that the engine is burning. Is there? What is >> > > Seems like the wheel rumble could be modified (amplified?) to sound kind of >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] X-15 rumble sound

2002-02-08 Thread Jim Wilson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > I'd really like to have a good XLR-99 rumble sound. Right now I don't recall > there being any audio indication that the engine is burning. Is there? What is Seems like the wheel rumble could be modified (amplified?) to sound kind of like a rocket rumble. Best, Jim

[Flightgear-devel] X-15 rumble sound

2002-02-08 Thread jsb
I'd really like to have a good XLR-99 rumble sound. Right now I don't recall there being any audio indication that the engine is burning. Is there? What is the maximum size (in bytes) that a sound clip should be? For a rocket I think attenuating the volume with throttle setting should be all th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: UIUC Usage Change

2002-02-08 Thread Martin Spott
> [...] I've been floating a couple ideas with John 'offline' but I > think we will hold off on making any changes until after 0.7.9 so we > can have a bit more discussion and thought about exactly what we want > to do. Thanks for the explanation, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it

Re: re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Release schedule for 0.7.9 (fwd)

2002-02-08 Thread Cameron Moore
I believe this was meant for the list... -- Cameron Moore [ I spilled spot remover on my dog. He's gone now. ] - Forwarded message from Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Releas

[Flightgear-devel] Runway lights

2002-02-08 Thread Roman Grigoriev
Hi guys! I still try to implement runway lights and do some progress If you want to enable runway lights on linux 1) Install latest mesa 4.0.1 (full install) That replace old glut and glu libraries (if you don't do this you have software rendering mode on runway lights) 2)install nvidia drivers (I

[Flightgear-devel] Runway lights

2002-02-08 Thread Roman Grigoriev
Hi guys! I still try to implement runway lights and do some progress If you want to enable runway lights on linux 1) Install latest mesa 4.0.1 (full install) That replace old glut and glu libraries (if you don't do this you have software rendering mode on runway lights) 2)install nvidia drivers (I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: UIUC Usage Change

2002-02-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
There is a lot of inconsistancy in the Aircraft subdirectories at the moment. I've been floating a couple ideas with John 'offline' but I think we will hold off on making any changes until after 0.7.9 so we can have a bit more discussion and thought about exactly what we want to do. Regards, Cu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: UIUC Usage Change

2002-02-08 Thread Martin Spott
> Contributions for the other init files are very welcome. When adapting the Beech99 init file for the Marchetti i encountered that there appears no real standard on where the panel files do ahve to reside. C310 panel resides in Aircraft/c310, C182 panel resides in Aircraft/c182/Panels - and it i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Small bug report

2002-02-08 Thread D Luff
Melchior FRANZ writes: > looks quite polished, BTW, IMHO better than the current font. Of course, the > radio displays don't look good with a proportional font. But I guess that > plib can handle more than one font at the same time. :-) > The radio displays could really do with a red LED fon

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Small bug report

2002-02-08 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Friday 08 February 2002 15:08: > * William Earnest -- Friday 08 February 2002 03:01: > > Noted a small cosmetic bug, but one that could be confusing. The > > drop-down menus apparently can't display an underscore. While browsing > > the properties tree, note that the fuel

re: [Flightgear-devel] preferenses.xml

2002-02-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Also, --disable-panel should work (and might be easier to remember) Curt. David Megginson writes: > Roman Grigoriev writes: > > > I use latest FGFSbase and latest flightgear (from CVS) > > I use null fdm and don't want to load c172 panel > > I setup false in panel property but panel is stil

Re: [Flightgear-devel] X24B set typo

2002-02-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Correct. I intended the directory and all references to be small case: x24b Thanks. Jon - Original Message - From: Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:21 AM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] X24B set typo > > > Could someone chnage

Re: [Flightgear-devel] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: UIUC Usage Change

2002-02-08 Thread Martin Spott
> For those of you still using UIUC models, the command-line (and > property) usage has changed in this morning's CVS. The aircraft-dir > is now relative to $FG_ROOT, so the full command line is like this: > fgfs --fdm=larcsim --aero=uiuc --aircraft-dir=Aircraft-uiuc/F104 Woahaaa, _this_ is r

[Flightgear-devel] X24B set typo

2002-02-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Could someone chnage the aero section of X24B-set.xml to X24B instead of x24b and change X24B/x24b.xml to X24B/X24B.xml (or make them at least equal), this would make it work for Irix (at least, maybe other unices also). Erik ___ Flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] Re: runway lights

2002-02-08 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Roman Grigoriev -- Friday 08 February 2002 13:52: > If you want to enable runway lights on linux [...] > 2)install nvidia drivers (I have Geforce3 and I'm fan of nvidia) (2313 works > well) > 3) replace mesa *.h files with nvidia (gl.h gltoken.h glext.h) ?? You mean, you are writing code that o

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Small bug report

2002-02-08 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* William Earnest -- Friday 08 February 2002 03:01: > Noted a small cosmetic bug, but one that could be confusing. The > drop-down menus apparently can't display an underscore. While browsing > the properties tree, note that the fuel units defined as level-gal_us > show up as level-galus.

re: [Flightgear-devel] preferenses.xml

2002-02-08 Thread David Megginson
Roman Grigoriev writes: > I use latest FGFSbase and latest flightgear (from CVS) > I use null fdm and don't want to load c172 panel > I setup false in panel property but panel is still visualizing > How to avoid panel loading The property that controls panel visibility is /sim/panel/visibili

[Flightgear-devel] preferenses.xml

2002-02-08 Thread Roman Grigoriev
Hi guys! I use latest FGFSbase and latest flightgear (from CVS) I use null fdm and don't want to load c172 panel I setup false in panel property but panel is still visualizing How to avoid panel loading Thanx Bye ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMA

[Flightgear-devel] runway lights

2002-02-08 Thread Roman Grigoriev
This is my 3rd attempt to send a message if you intrested in attachment i can sen directly Hi guys! I still try to implement runway lights and do some progress If you want to enable runway lights on linux 1) Install latest mesa 4.0.1 (full install) That replace old glut and glu libraries (if you d

[Flightgear-devel] IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: UIUC Usage Change

2002-02-08 Thread David Megginson
For those of you still using UIUC models, the command-line (and property) usage has changed in this morning's CVS. The aircraft-dir is now relative to $FG_ROOT, so the full command line is like this: fgfs --fdm=larcsim --aero=uiuc --aircraft-dir=Aircraft-uiuc/F104 This change allows us to cre

Re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Release schedule for 0.7.9

2002-02-08 Thread David Megginson
Erik Hofman writes: > That's a one liner: > > --- /home/erik/src/CVS/fgfs/FlightGear/src/Main/options.cxx Tue Feb > 5 18:08:29 2002 > +++ options.cxx Fri Feb 8 11:07:09 2002 > @@ -674,7 +674,8 @@ > } else if ( arg.find( "--aero=" ) == 0 ) { > fgSetString("/sim/aero

Re: re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Release schedule for 0.7.9

2002-02-08 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott writes: > This one is new to me as it was not necessary in 0.7.8. That's because we switched the default FDM from LaRCSim to JSBSim. All the best, David -- David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

Re: re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Release schedule for 0.7.9

2002-02-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Yes. JSBSim is now the default flight model. Jon - Original Message - From: Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: Re: re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Release schedule for 0.7.9 > > fgfs --fdm=larcsim --aero=uiuc \ >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Release schedule for 0.7.9

2002-02-08 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: > > That, in fact, is the root of the problem -- UIUC uses an absolute > directory rather than one relative to $FG_ROOT, so we cannot easily > make *-set.xml files. If we changed that, it could be as easy as > > fgfs --aircraft=f104-uiuc That's a one liner: --- /ho

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Observations on latest cvs flightgear

2002-02-08 Thread D Luff
Curtis L. Olson writes: > > > I'm not seeing this at all on my end. The controls all start out > > > centered for me. Are you running with keyboard input, or joystick for > > > the yoke? > > > > This is with keyboard. > > You are the only one who I've heard report such a thing. > OK, I'll

Re: re: [Flightgear-devel] UIUC; Was: Release schedule for 0.7.9

2002-02-08 Thread Martin Spott
> fgfs --fdm=larcsim --aero=uiuc \ ^ This one is new to me as it was not necessary in 0.7.8. The rest was already known to me - I read about the aircraft/aero change and the directory path has been there as long as I know FlightGear. Thanks alot, Martin. -- Unix _