On Friday 15 February 2002 01:05 am, you wrote:
> John Check writes:
> > Okay heres a bug. When flying towards the sun/moon, the body in question
> > will jump down ~45 degrees for a frame or two. When ever this happens
> > the time jumps ahead on the clock. Uh... ok... so the time stutters.
>
>
John Check writes:
> Okay heres a bug. When flying towards the sun/moon, the body in question
> will jump down ~45 degrees for a frame or two. When ever this happens the
> time jumps ahead on the clock. Uh... ok... so the time stutters.
John,
Are you still seeing this in the latest code?
Curt
Jonathan Polley writes:
> I tried halving the fog values and got something that looked more
> realistic, for the long distance visibilities at least. Would it be
> possible to change the fog equations along with the visibility? This
> would be for post-0.8.0.
You can choose between linear, e
Gents, this showed up on the XP list - I figured you would be interested
in seeing it.
G.
> -Original Message-
> From: mark_f20912 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 4:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [xplane-tech] You can't get much more technical t
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 09:09, Alex Perry wrote:
> The current CVS hangs for me when ground started at KMYF, yet is fine at KSFO.
> Immediate crash. It's a long way to commute, could we fix that sometime?
It looks to me like there are at least a couple of problems.
1) the altitude is initially set
>
> Yes, it is.
>
> According to the picture, it IS possible to have FG + OpenGC running on
the
> same machine (obviously at least one person had it :-). I always was under
> the impression this requires 2 networked machines.
>
> Perhaps someone could put together a simple readme for getting this
> There are two pictures of the OpenGC glass cockpit project running
> with FlightGear at the FlightGear gallery page now:
oh yes, I noticed occasionally as I just was updating my mirror _very_
short after upload. _This_ is really marvellous !!!
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> On Thursday 14 February 2002 04:11 pm, John Check wrote:
> > There are two pictures of the OpenGC glass cockpit project running
> > with FlightGear at the FlightGear gallery page now:
> >
> > http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery/
> >
> > Curt.
>
> Now *thats* cool
Yes, it is.
According to th
On Thursday 14 February 2002 03:21 am, you wrote:
> On Thursday 14 February 2002 01:59 am, you wrote:
> > > That's the same error I have on the C172 at simulator startup. FYI.
> > >
> > > > JSBsim C310 crashes the sim on gear retraction.
> >
> > So ... this is an error?
> >
> > This is the same m
On Thursday 14 February 2002 04:11 pm, you wrote:
> There are two pictures of the OpenGC glass cockpit project running
> with FlightGear at the FlightGear gallery page now:
>
> http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery/
>
> Curt.
Now *thats* cool
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> Maybe I've been around NASA types too long. ;-) What I meant was that we'd
> like to have at least *believable* flight dynamics when flying in
> off-nominal conditions (spin, hammerhead, etc.)
>
> But I am glad I made you laugh. :-)
>
You just keep on hanging out with those NASA guys. :) BT
On Thursday 14 February 2002 03:38 pm, you wrote:
> Cameron Moore wrote:
> > - p29: I believe binaries are also shipped with SuSE Linux, though I
> > don't think you need to discuss how to install them.
>
> Yes they are. At least since 7.0 but I think it was ever earlier than
> that.
>
> CU,
> C
Andy,
> Oh, and a pedantic comment about the text: the use of the latin "e.g."
> in the middle of English sentences is frowned upon as a matter of
> style. In almost all cases, the colloquial "for example" will work
...
Thanks a lot. I'll print and keep this for future reference.
BTW, we sure
Erik Hofman writes:
> Its' weel above 100 Foot.
> I tried different altitudes, non worked well.
Have you tried different airports? It's strange that we cannot
reproduce this. Does the problem occur as soon as the gear are
retracted?
All the best,
David
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Michael Basler writes:
> Sorry for insisting on this, but it's a feature which seems to be broken (at
> least for me):
>
> Could somone under Windows check if he's able to open the help index page in
> IE via the help menu entry in FlightGear? In this case I'll check what's
> wrong with my system
> > Ha! Actually, when we get around to it, we do want to be
> > plausible off-nominal, too.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> Jon, I read that sentence, digested it and promptly started snickering
> insanely. What a quote. "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
>
> *rofl*
??
Maybe I've been around
There are two pictures of the OpenGC glass cockpit project running
with FlightGear at the FlightGear gallery page now:
http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery/
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>
> Ha! Actually, when we get around to it, we do want to be plausible off-nominal,
> too.
>
> Jon
>
Jon, I read that sentence, digested it and promptly started snickering
insanely. What a quote. "I'm not crazy, I'm plausibly off-nominal!"
*rofl*
g.
_
Cameron Moore wrote:
>
> - p29: I believe binaries are also shipped with SuSE Linux, though I
> don't think you need to discuss how to install them.
Yes they are. At least since 7.0 but I think it was ever earlier than
that.
CU,
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David Megginson wrote:
> Erik Hofman writes:
>
> > >>I'm having no problem retracting the C310 gear in flight, using
> > >>yesterday's CVS version of everything. It's possible that there's a
> > >>problem in some builds, but it's equally possible that people are
> > >>letting the plane settl
Tony Peden wrote:
>>Well, I wasn't saying this was the cuase of the
>>problem, just *a*
>>solution. I figured there might be a counter
>>somwhere which decreses
>>GearPos by a certain amount, but the check didn't
>>catch it being close
>>to 0.0
>>Therefore it would en up in an endless loop or
David Megginson writes:
> > > Hmmm, If I start at KSAN and taxi to KMYF, JSBSim seems happy with
> > > the ground elevation and everything jives with where FGFS thinks the
> > > ground is. The problem seems to be somehow at startup/init time.
> > > Very strange and confusing ... I do
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Ok, looking further, it appears that nothing, no place, no where is
> setting the runway elevation any more ... it get's initialized at
> startup, but then never is updated as the aircraft moves.
>
This sounds a lot like the problem I was noticing
David Megginson writes:
> > Hmmm, If I start at KSAN and taxi to KMYF, JSBSim seems happy with
> > the ground elevation and everything jives with where FGFS thinks the
> > ground is. The problem seems to be somehow at startup/init time.
> > Very strange and confusing ... I don't see any
Curtis L. Olson writes:
> Hmmm, If I start at KSAN and taxi to KMYF, JSBSim seems happy with
> the ground elevation and everything jives with where FGFS thinks the
> ground is. The problem seems to be somehow at startup/init time.
> Very strange and confusing ... I don't see any evidence of
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
> Ok, looking further, it appears that nothing, no place, no where is
> setting the runway elevation any more ... it get's initialized at
> startup, but then never is updated as the aircraft moves.
Ah, which explains why I've never seen this. I only ever bother
testing
> Alex Perry wrote:
> >>Think of it this way: a YASim aircraft will be as close to the real
> >>airplane as the real one is to any other aircraft of the same general
> >>class. That's good enough for me. And in a lot of situations
> >>(military aircraft in particular), this is as good as we're g
Alex Perry wrote:
>>Think of it this way: a YASim aircraft will be as close to the real
>>airplane as the real one is to any other aircraft of the same general
>>class. That's good enough for me. And in a lot of situations
>>(military aircraft in particular), this is as good as we're going to
>>
> Think of it this way: a YASim aircraft will be as close to the real
> airplane as the real one is to any other aircraft of the same general
> class. That's good enough for me. And in a lot of situations
> (military aircraft in particular), this is as good as we're going to
> get anyway. There
> Ok, there is something really strange here, probably because things
> were changed without a proper understanding of how everything worked
> together. My mind is fryed at the moment looking at this stuff.
> JSBSim seems to be doing the right thing *except* for at KMYF.
Whatever it was I said t
Jon S. Berndt wrote:
> David Megginson wrote:
> > Regarding this paragraph,
> >
> > > Recently, Andrew Ross contributed another flight model called
> > > YASim for Yet another simulator. At present, it sports another
> > > Cessna 172, a Cessna 182 and a Boeing 747. This one is based on
> >
> So it appears that at least for KMYF, JSBSim and FlightGear are having
> a very strong disagreement over the elevation of the ground, and
> neither is willing to budge. Sounds like two typical flightgear
> developers. :-)
Yep :-) This is _very_ similar to what I've been experiencing with 0.7
Hmmm, If I start at KSAN and taxi to KMYF, JSBSim seems happy with
the ground elevation and everything jives with where FGFS thinks the
ground is. The problem seems to be somehow at startup/init time.
Very strange and confusing ... I don't see any evidence of a scenery
model problem around KMYF.
Alex Perry writes:
> The current CVS hangs for me when ground started at KMYF, yet is fine at KSFO.
> Immediate crash. It's a long way to commute, could we fix that sometime?
Hmmm, I can verify this same problem here too. With fgfs
--airport-id=KMYF :
- Flightgear starts up.
- The JSBSim cons
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Spott) [2002.02.14 11:55]:
> > The HTML versions on the website are trying to load non-existent CSS
> > files (getstart.css & FGShortRef.css). NS4 won't even show the page
> > without the CSS files in place. :-/
>
> Hmmm, I can't confirm this - just had a test with N
> The HTML versions on the website are trying to load non-existent CSS
> files (getstart.css & FGShortRef.css). NS4 won't even show the page
> without the CSS files in place. :-/
Hmmm, I can't confirm this - just had a test with Netscape-4.78 on Linux,
with and without enabling style sheets in
> Hmm, I'm finding stuff left and right. I'm going to have to be a good
> husband tonight, but I will try to make a point to read through some
> more of this and send any revisions to Michael.
Thank you for your suggestions. I'd like to ask you to send revisions to me
instead of Michael. I alrea
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curt Olson) [2002.02.13 15:44]:
> BERNDT, JON S. (JON) (JSC-EX) (LM) writes:
> > OK. What does Ctrl-U do??
>
> This was a *hack* that incremented altitude by 1000'. It was easy to
> do in LaRCsim. However, it's ugly, not realistic, and I'd rather have
> a more sensible and
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.02.14 09:58]:
> The manual is really quite extensive and impressive and represents a
> very large amount of work. It is definitely worth reading through. I
> learned several new things myself. :-)
First, Michael and Martin have done a fabulous job. K
The current CVS hangs for me when ground started at KMYF, yet is fine at KSFO.
Immediate crash. It's a long way to commute, could we fix that sometime?
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> If I created it with MS software I'd blame them for missing standard
> conformance. However, this was produced with one of standard freeware
> Tex-HTML converters (TeX4HT)...
I use latex2html personally. Anyway, it seems more likely that the file
is missing from the upload. Most of the genera
Dave, Cameron, thannks for the first comments.
> The HTML versions on the website are trying to load non-existent CSS
> files (getstart.css & FGShortRef.css). NS4 won't even show the page
> without the CSS files in place. :-/
We'll have to work on this, altough I'm a bit lost at the moment. Du
> Regarding this paragraph,
>
> Recently, Andrew Ross contributed another flight model called YASim
> for Yet another simulator. At present, it sports another Cessna 172,
> a Cessna 182 and a Boeing 747. This one is based on geometry
> information rather than aerodynamic coefficients. Alt
> Michael and Martin have sent me an updated version of the Installation
> and Getting Started Guide:
> http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/
Thanks for the kind announcement. The 'European' website mirror - I believe
it's the only one around here :-) - is up to date. You might want to read
it f
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis L. Olson) [2002.02.14 09:58]:
> Michael and Martin have sent me an updated version of the Installation
> and Getting Started Guide:
>
> http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/
>
> Please take a moment to read through it if you can and send Michael or
> Martin and suggesti
> Alex Perry writes:
> > > Alex Perry writes:
> > > > * On a G400 card with lots of memory, I'm getting 4fps out-the-box.
> > > > This is down from the high 20s previous versions. It improves
> > > > to 14fps if I get rid of the Textures.high directory temporarily.
> > > > Thus, the decisio
Regarding this paragraph,
Recently, Andrew Ross contributed another flight model called YASim
for Yet another simulator. At present, it sports another Cessna 172,
a Cessna 182 and a Boeing 747. This one is based on geometry
information rather than aerodynamic coefficients. Although it is
The last line of the following needs to be updated:
Concerning airplanes, the JSB flight model at present provides support
for a Cessna 172, a Cessna 182, a Cessna 310, and for an experimental
plane called X15. Jon and his group are gearing towards a very
accurate flight model, and the JS
Curtis L. Olson writes:
> Michael and Martin have sent me an updated version of the Installation
> and Getting Started Guide:
>
> http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/
>
> Please take a moment to read through it if you can and send Michael or
> Martin and suggestions or fixes. Only little
Curtis L. Olson writes:
> I'd prefer the scrolling text to be off be default. Again for the
> sake of realism, you don't have scrolling text across your windshield
> in a real plane. I know this is a compromise because we are in a
> simulated environment, and it's a nice feature, but I think I
Michael and Martin have sent me an updated version of the Installation
and Getting Started Guide:
http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/
Please take a moment to read through it if you can and send Michael or
Martin and suggestions or fixes. Only little stuff can be fixed for
0.7.9 but larger sugge
Curtis L. Olson writes:
> I'd prefer the scrolling text to be off be default. Again for the
> sake of realism, you don't have scrolling text across your windshield
> in a real plane. I know this is a compromise because we are in a
> simulated environment, and it's a nice feature, but I thin
"Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> If I have the blue levers pushed all the way in (low gear) this
> happens very reliably. Push the nose over into a dive and in a few
> seconds everything blows up.
>
> But, if I have the blue levers pulled out a bit, I can dive all day
> long and
David Megginson writes:
> Tony Peden writes:
>
> > To confirm, it may be worth substituting the c172 prop
> > (prop75in2f, I think) to confirm this. That assumes,
> > of course, that you'll be able to get off the ground
> > ...
>
> That's prop_75in2f. Also try substituting prop_81in2v in c
David Megginson writes:
> Martin Spott writes:
>
> > I dislike it, because it appears to eat about 10 fps Also as long as
> > there's no knob, easy to find to stop ATIS display, I would not vote for
> > setting it a default.
>
> OK, that's the first objection. Any other comments?
I'd
Tony Peden writes:
> To confirm, it may be worth substituting the c172 prop
> (prop75in2f, I think) to confirm this. That assumes,
> of course, that you'll be able to get off the ground
> ...
That's prop_75in2f. Also try substituting prop_81in2v in c310.xml --
that will give you a differen
Curtis L. Olson writes:
> So, this would lead me to suspect something in the constant speed prop
> code is screwing up at a boundary condition.
Yes, I agree, except that the problem is probably in the prop config
file rather than the C++ code.
All the best,
David
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Erik Hofman writes:
> >>I'm having no problem retracting the C310 gear in flight, using
> >>yesterday's CVS version of everything. It's possible that there's a
> >>problem in some builds, but it's equally possible that people are
> >>letting the plane settle back onto the ground after retrac
Martin Spott writes:
> I dislike it, because it appears to eat about 10 fps Also as long as
> there's no knob, easy to find to stop ATIS display, I would not vote for
> setting it a default.
OK, that's the first objection. Any other comments?
All the best,
David
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Jim Wilson writes:
> Yep great idea. Is the at-startup-parking-brake working? I couldn't seem
> to make it work last night.
No, there's some kind of a bug (it might just be that JSBSim is
overriding the initial setting), and I'll have to investigate.
All the best,
David
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--- "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Megginson writes:
> > I'm having no problem retracting the C310 gear in
> flight, using
> > yesterday's CVS version of everything. It's
> possible that there's a
> > problem in some builds, but it's equally possible
> that people are
> > l
--- Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
>
>
> >>This gets fixed by this patch:
> >>
> >>--- /home/erik/src/CVS/fgfs/JSBSim/FGLGear.cpp
> Fri Jan 25 21:10:22 2002
> >>+++ FGLGear.cpp Thu Feb 14 11:26:01 2002
> >>@@ -189,9 +189,11 @@
> >>
> >>if (isRetractable) {
>
David Megginson writes:
> I'm having no problem retracting the C310 gear in flight, using
> yesterday's CVS version of everything. It's possible that there's a
> problem in some builds, but it's equally possible that people are
> letting the plane settle back onto the ground after retracting gear
Martin Spott wrote:
>>Uck, I must have changed the version behaviour. I'll make sure it will
>>work for the official release.
>>
>
> Where will you place the final version ? Will you update your FlightGear web
> page http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/ so we can point to it ? I'd like to
> update
Tony Peden wrote:
>>This gets fixed by this patch:
>>
>>--- /home/erik/src/CVS/fgfs/JSBSim/FGLGear.cpp Fri Jan 25 21:10:22 2002
>>+++ FGLGear.cpp Thu Feb 14 11:26:01 2002
>>@@ -189,9 +189,11 @@
>>
>>if (isRetractable) {
>> if (FCS->GetGearPos() < 0.01) {
>>+ FCS->SetGearPos(0.
Tony Peden wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 04:21, David Megginson wrote:
>
>>I'm having no problem retracting the C310 gear in flight, using
>>yesterday's CVS version of everything. It's possible that there's a
>>problem in some builds, but it's equally possible that people are
>>letting the plan
Martin Spott writes:
> > Uck, I must have changed the version behaviour. I'll make sure it will
> > work for the official release.
>
> Where will you place the final version ? Will you update your FlightGear web
> page http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/ so we can point to it ? I'd like to
> updat
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> On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:24:14PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
>
> > the moon is using a blend mode other than the default blend mode
> > so that we can blend it into the gradient sky.
>
> Thanks, that was exac
> I'm only getting this with JSBsim right now. Maybe I've got something
screwed
> up here anyone else seeing this? The symptom is that if I specify an
airport
> that is not in scenery the simulation comes up correctly momentarily and
then
> tries to load a tile and does the fatal bogus long/lat
> As long as we're clearing up odds and ends, should we have COM1
> default to 118.85 for KSFO ATIS in 0.7.9? That means that the sim
> will start with the ATIS text scrolling across the top of the screen,
> but users might not know how to get rid of it.
I dislike it, because it appears to eat a
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 08:24:14PM -0600, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
> the moon is using a blend mode other than the default blend mode
> so that we can blend it into the gradient sky.
Thanks, that was exactly the information I needed to get me
started
On Tue 12. February 2002 22:33, you wrote:
> This works fine for me. Are you running with the latest fgfs cvs?
>
Yes, with yesterday CVS (plib,SG,FG,fgfsbase) and rebuild after uninstall and
distclean, but I must note that I use threads.
I find that it occurs only sometimes and have diferent sym
"Jon S. Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Just wondering if this is a necessary JSBsim feature.
>
> It's not. I've never seen this happen, and I doubt it's related at all to
> JSBSim.
>
I'm only getting this with JSBsim right now. Maybe I've got something screwed
up here anyone else seein
> Uck, I must have changed the version behaviour. I'll make sure it will
> work for the official release.
Where will you place the final version ? Will you update your FlightGear web
page http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/ so we can point to it ? I'd like to
update the comments on IRIX in the "Ge
> Just wondering if this is a necessary JSBsim feature.
It's not. I've never seen this happen, and I doubt it's related at all to
JSBSim.
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Just wondering if this is a necessary JSBsim feature.
Best,
Jim
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On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 15:58, Jim Wilson wrote:
> Tony Peden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 14:59, David Megginson wrote:
> > > Interesting. I have no objection to removing the binding completely,
> > > but it is showing up a more serious problem with JSBSim's ground
> > >
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 02:39, Erik Hofman wrote:
> Alex Perry wrote:
> > That's the same error I have on the C172 at simulator startup. FYI.
>
> A crash at startup is mostly because of stale objects files hanging
> around. I think you should do a "make clean" in src/FDM/JSBSim and
> remove src/
John Check <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> I could bind a toggle for the brakes to the indicator.
> I think it's fairly likely somebody might click on it
>
Yep great idea. Is the at-startup-parking-brake working? I couldn't seem
to make it work last night.
Best,
Jim
On Thu, 2002-02-14 at 04:21, David Megginson wrote:
> I'm having no problem retracting the C310 gear in flight, using
> yesterday's CVS version of everything. It's possible that there's a
> problem in some builds, but it's equally possible that people are
> letting the plane settle back onto the
I'm having no problem retracting the C310 gear in flight, using
yesterday's CVS version of everything. It's possible that there's a
problem in some builds, but it's equally possible that people are
letting the plane settle back onto the ground after retracting gear.
Try waiting for a higher altit
Hi Dave!
I've seen in your fgfs directory nice screenshots with runway lights
could you please tell us the method how to make it?
Thanx
Bye
P.S. Currently I try to incorporate loading of runway lights in
tileentry.cxx but no still success
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Alex Perry wrote:
> That's the same error I have on the C172 at simulator startup. FYI.
A crash at startup is mostly because of stale objects files hanging
around. I think you should do a "make clean" in src/FDM/JSBSim and
remove src/FDM/JSBSim.o and try again.
>
>>JSBsim C310 crashes the si
Martin Spott wrote:
> Erik,
>
>
>>I've uploaded a pre-release version of FlightGear 0.7.9 at:
>>
>
> did you notice that you put the old 0.7.7 binary into that package ? 'inst'
> complains about installing an older package as the one already installed,
Uck, I must have changed the version beha
Alex Perry writes:
> > Alex Perry writes:
> > > * On a G400 card with lots of memory, I'm getting 4fps out-the-box.
> > > This is down from the high 20s previous versions. It improves
> > > to 14fps if I get rid of the Textures.high directory temporarily.
> > > Thus, the decision making fo
>> Some time ago a big company, which shall remain nameless, bought
>> 3dfx. They have now opted to yank the 3dfx site, and all support for
>> old cards with it. (That alone is reason enough not to buy their
>> cards.)
> Yes, I wish there was more choice in the 3d graphics world. You could
> alw
On Thursday 14 February 2002 01:59 am, you wrote:
> > That's the same error I have on the C172 at simulator startup. FYI.
> >
> > > JSBsim C310 crashes the sim on gear retraction.
>
> So ... this is an error?
>
> This is the same message I get if I do this in real life.
>
> ;-)
>
> Jon
>
>
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