Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compile error with plib

2002-07-10 Thread Alex Perry
> Try the attatched patch - it works for me(tm). If it works for you, > I'll see about sending it to the plib list . . . It fixed it for me too. SimGear build is now in progress. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas binary

2002-07-10 Thread Olivier Grisel
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Jim Wilson wrote: > Got my new machine pretty much the way I want it...but rebuilding atlas is one > of those little things that are left. It looks like there's some issues with > Atlas and simgear that haven't been fixed in CVS yet (well as far as I've > looked). Anyone h

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to draw lines?

2002-07-10 Thread Martin Dressler
On Tue 9. July 2002 20:33, you wrote: > Andy Ross writes: > > Is this on the 3D panel or 2D? In 3D, the texture layers are drawn I try it first in 2D panel, but I want to work in 3D panel also. > > with GL_POLYGON_OFFSET, which by default does not apply to lines. For > > reasons having to do w

RE: [Flightgear-devel] GS needle sensitivity.

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Ryan Larson writes: > This is worded weird. I would word it like this (this is from the diagram > in the FAA instrument rating written exam). > > The glideslope is a beam 1.4 degrees thick. It is pointed 3 degrees up from > the horizon starting at the 1000' foot mark down the runway from the >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4 "manual"

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > I've been doing really well recently with my A-4 landings, so I wrote > up a putative "Flight Operations Manual" to record the stuff I've > learned: > > http://www.plausible.org/a4-ops/ > > Obviously, I've never actually trained with the Navy, so lots of this > is guesswork

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FW: [Plib-devel] ssg vertex tables tuning

2002-07-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Norman Vine wrote: > Hi All > > I got a considerable boost in the frame rate from the following > patch to PLib. < ~25% at default startup location > > > I am trying to determine if this also true for 'most' systems > before advocating it's inclusion into PLib > > If you do test this plea

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Jon Berndt
Wow. Quite a history. Welcome. How'd you find out about FlightGear? > Hello Everyone. > > I've recently gone full time linux running Mandrake 8.2, I've been > running linux since 0.91 but not as a full time desktop machine :-). I > don't have all the answers, but I generally can find them :-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] How to draw lines?

2002-07-10 Thread David Megginson
Martin Dressler writes: > Yes, I'm trying to rewrite opengc for use inside of panel. Then you definitely don't want lines, you want narrow polygons. In 3D mode the lines on the GC display have to get narrower or wider depending on the distance from the viewer or else they will look silly. Al

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compile error with plib

2002-07-10 Thread William Earnest
Alex Perry wrote: >>Try the attatched patch - it works for me(tm). If it works for you, >>I'll see about sending it to the plib list . . . > > > It fixed it for me too. SimGear build is now in progress. > > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas binary

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Works great! Thank you very much :-) Best, Jim Darren Hammond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jim > > This is a fairly old one - the file date is 26 Feb this year. I think it was > compiled on RH7.2 before I upgraded the box to RH7.3. It still works for me. > > Darren > > > > > On Wednesd

Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas binary

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Olivier Grisel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I used fg's autogen.sh to build it as mentionned in Atlas > mailing list. Yes, I tried that and it didn't work. Then I messed around a bit and got a configure to run, and ran into build problems. Think I fixed one and then got another error, at which

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compile error with plib

2002-07-10 Thread Simon Fowler
On Wed, Jul 10, 2002 at 08:32:13AM -0400, William Earnest wrote: > Alex Perry wrote: > >>Try the attatched patch - it works for me(tm). If it works for you, > >>I'll see about sending it to the plib list . . . > > > > > >It fixed it for me too. SimGear build is now in progress. > > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas binary

2002-07-10 Thread Olivier Grisel
I also needed to do : 'mv acsite.m4 acinclude.m4' as mentionned on the post : http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/8316/2002/5/0/8733592/ Hope this can help. Best -- Champi (03) Olivier Grisel *** Paix, Amour, Liberté et Fleurs. *** ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] A-4 "manual"

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > If folks like it, it would be nice to put it up on the flightgear.org > site. A set of operational manuals for all of our core models would > be a really good thing to have. I need to write up something similar > for the Harrier, which is even harder to lan

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hello Jon, On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 05:19, Jon Berndt wrote: > Wow. Quite a history. Welcome. How'd you find out about FlightGear? Actually I don't remember at this point :-). I strongly suspect that it was at some point of working one some scenery or something for m$fs that wasn't working accordi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Victoria Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Been programming since the IBM 1401 :-). Hehe. My teeth were cut on the 1130 (instead of being a desktop, it _was_ the desk). But that was when Bill Gates was just learning how to program a different kind of processor, so you'd have to say it wasn't q

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Olivier Grisel
> The stuff might be in suse, but > apparently not in M8.2 :-(. Off course they are : su urpmi mesa urpmi glx That should find the list of rpms needed to build fg. (you can try rpmdrake if you prefer a graphical tool that do the same). Best -- Champi (03) Ol

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson writes: > But AFAIK there hasn't been anything yet in the helo department > (would be a great addition). On the subject of helos, the autopilot.sf.net project (working on building an autonomous R/C helicopter) has developed a pretty decent helo simulation that works well for testing ou

Re: [Flightgear-devel] atlas binary

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Olivier Grisel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I also needed to do : > > 'mv acsite.m4 acinclude.m4' > > as mentionned on the post : > http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/8316/2002/5/0/8733592/ > > Hope this can help. > Yes it did. Not sure just what I did now, but that did the trick. Than

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Tony Peden
If a binary of FG will run but you can't build, that probably means that the libs are installed but not their header files. If this is the case, you don't have the relavant -devel packages installed. On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:26:25 +0200 (CEST) Olivier Grisel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > At one point their project leader offered me his old Rev1 board in > return for integrating their helo model with FlightGear. > Unfortunately I haven't had the time to look into that seriously, but > this could be a good starting point for someone. I would certainly

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hello Olivier > > The stuff might be in suse, but > > apparently not in M8.2 :-(. > > Off course they are : > > su > urpmi mesa > urpmi glx > > That should find the list of rpms needed to build fg. > (you can try rpmdrake if you prefer a graphical tool that do the > same). Thanks very much fo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Alex Perry
> Got Simgear made and installed and then discovered that wasn't the same > as the "base package" which I promply tracked down and got the cvs for. > It seems to be missing the INSTALL file, so I am currently working on > that as I can. The base package doesn't need anything doing to it; just st

Re: [Flightgear-devel] SourceForge home page and bug tracker

2002-07-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 00:33:06 +0100, Julian Foad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Can the bug tracker be made to send a notification to this mailing > list of each addition and change? If other people agree, I'd like > that. (I know an individual can request noti

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > It might be worth finishing the long-delayed overhaul of the FDM > interface first. Andy demonstrated initially how effectively an FDM > can work almost exclusively through the property manager, and most new > JSBSim functionality has bypassed FGInterface and gone direct

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hi Jim, > > Been programming since the IBM 1401 :-). > > Hehe. My teeth were cut on the 1130 (instead of being a desktop, it _was_ the > desk). But that was when Bill Gates was just learning how to program a > different kind of processor, so you'd have to say it wasn't quite > state-of-the-art

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-). Andworking on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 13:24, Alex Perry wrote: > > Got Simgear made and installed and then discovered that wasn't the same > > as the "base package" which I promply tracked down and got the cvs for. > > It seems to be missing the INSTALL file, so I am currently working on > > that as I can. > >

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread David Megginson
Curt and I have been having a discussion offline about algorithms for NAV mode on a simple autopilot (like those typically found in a light Cessna or Piper). The current autopilot does not have a working NAV mode -- it was just a quick kludge, with ability to correct for a crosswind. What algori

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread Alex Perry
> What algorithms are commonly used to get and keep the CDI centered in > a simple AP? It should be easy enough to start with the rate and > direction of CDI deviation from center. I'm tempted to say that there isn't a standard we can simply use; I've used some very different ones even in a smal

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-). And workingon install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Alex Perry
> Anyone got any ideas on this one (make for flightgear itself): Builds nicely for me. Sorry. Sounds like a compiler version thing. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-). Andworking on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 15:15, Alex Perry wrote: > > Anyone got any ideas on this one (make for flightgear itself): > > Builds nicely for me. Sorry. Sounds like a compiler version thing. Yeah, more of that :-). Looks like mutable isn't in the cards here. I'm no whiz with c++, but I guess I am

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and brief introduction :-). Andworking on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Victoria Welch writes: > On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 15:15, Alex Perry wrote: > > > Anyone got any ideas on this one (make for flightgear itself): > > > > Builds nicely for me. Sorry. Sounds like a compiler version thing. > > Yeah, more of that :-). Looks like mutable isn't in the cards here. > I'

Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and briefintroduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hello Curt, Thanks very much for the response! On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 16:14, Curtis L. Olson wrote: [ ... ] > Also, make sure you don't have an older version of simgear or plib > installed someplace from a previous attempt. That can really hose > things up if you aren't careful. Simgear is the 0

Re: Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello and briefintroduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I apologize that this is less than obvious at the first crack, but simgear and flightgear are typically developed in parallel so you need to have a matched set. SimGear-0.0.18 corresponds to FlightGear-0.7.10. However if you want to build the cvs version of FlightGear, you also need the *cvs* ve

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread Ralph Jones
At 05:31 PM 7/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Curt and I have been having a discussion offline about algorithms for >NAV mode on a simple autopilot (like those typically found in a light >Cessna or Piper). The current autopilot does not have a working NAV >mode -- it was just a quick kludge, with abil

Re: Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello andbrief introduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hi Curt, > I apologize that this is less than obvious at the first crack, but > simgear and flightgear are typically developed in parallel so you need > to have a matched set. SimGear-0.0.18 corresponds to > FlightGear-0.7.10. However if you want to build the cvs version of > FlightGear, you al

Re: Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello andbrief introduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Victoria Welch writes: > Sigh, well, no it wasn't. hehe, watching me go through all this might > be useful for someone writing up a howto ;-). > > Anyway, I went over to simgear and followed the directions verbatum > (copy/paste) and got more problems. It isn't clear to me if I should > have us

RE: Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello andbrief introduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Norman Vine
Victoria Welch writes: > > cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.0 login > >-^^ (add .18?) > >But taking it as that is what I should do (not adding version) I end up >with the following: > >{/usr/local/src/SimGear} $ aclocal ;

Re: Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello andbrief introduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hi Curt, > [ ... ] > Where does it say to run "aclocal ; automake -a ; autoconf" ? That > should be updated to say run "autogen.sh". Let me know and I'll fix > it. http://www.simgear.org/cvs.html go down two from the cvs download instructions to the "Now that you are a Developer" paragraph,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Curt and I have been having a discussion offline about algorithms for > NAV mode on a simple autopilot (like those typically found in a light > Cessna or Piper). The current autopilot does not have a working NAV > mode -- it was just a quick kludge, wi

Re: Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello andbrief introduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Ok, sorry for the inconvenience, this should be fixed now on the web page. Curt. Victoria Welch writes: > http://www.simgear.org/cvs.html > > go down two from the cvs download instructions to the "Now that you > are a Developer" paragraph, which reads: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread Jon Berndt
> Basically what I had in mind was an adjustment of the target heading based on > the resulting devation values. I don't have the actual formula written down, > but it would involve doubling the devations and subtracting them from the > target heading and including an integral accumulated error a

Re: Working on Install - was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hello andbrief introduction :-). And working on install :-).

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hi Curt, On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 18:05, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Ok, sorry for the inconvenience, this should be fixed now on the web > page. No problem at all, one rarely learns anything without problems of some sort :-). Alls well that ends well :-). Looks like FG is still merrily compiling al

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: > The technique that I had in mind is probably one that would work for most > aircraft. Flying to the needle causes some issues especially with airliner > sized aircraft. The current code adjusts the heading by taking the needle > deflection and multiplying it by the dis

[Flightgear-devel] Success! Many thanks to all ! Couple questions...

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hello Everyone, I am pleased to report success building FG! To all who were so graciously helpful, THANKS, your efforts are very much appreciated! The only thing left is getting my joystick calibrated again, I made the mistake of removing the RPM of the old version and I didn't save the c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Success! Many thanks to all ! Couple questions...

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Vikki, Congrats, welcome to the club. :-) Curt. Victoria Welch writes: > Hello Everyone, > > I am pleased to report success building FG! > > To all who were so graciously helpful, THANKS, your efforts are very > much appreciated! > > The only thing left is getting my joystick calibrat

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Jon Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Basically what I had in mind was an adjustment of the target heading > based on > > the resulting devation values. I don't have the actual formula written > down, > > but it would involve doubling the devations and subtracting them from > the > > target h

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Success! Many thanks to all ! Couple questions...

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Victoria Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The only real question at this point is how often should I be checking > the cvs(s) for updates? Would it be a good idea to subscribe to the > announce list or the CVSLogs mailing list(s) for this purpose? Absolutely. That way you can see the bug fi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jim Wilson writes: > > > The technique that I had in mind is probably one that would work for most > > aircraft. Flying to the needle causes some issues especially with airliner > > sized aircraft. The current code adjusts the heading by taking t

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot VOR-Tracking Algorithms

2002-07-10 Thread Jon Berndt
> > Without code? FWIW I designed the JSBSim > > FCS components to also be able to handle being assembled into an > > autopilot. > Is there something there I should be looking at? These might help: http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/JSBSim.PDF http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/ConfigurationFiles.pdf htt

[Flightgear-devel] Pictures of trip to Minneapolis

2002-07-10 Thread rlarson
I flew my roomates and myself from Dupage airport (DPA) to Crystal airport (MIC) in an archer-II over the 4th of July weekend. It was a lot of fun and sure beats driving 7 hours in a car. Anyway here are the pics.. http://dsl081-150-106.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumN

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Pictures of trip to Minneapolis

2002-07-10 Thread Jon Berndt
> I flew my roomates and myself from Dupage airport (DPA) to > Crystal airport (MIC) in an archer-II over the 4th of July > weekend. It was a lot of fun and sure beats driving 7 hours in a > car. Anyway here are the pics.. Crystal? As in next to Robbinsdale? I lived less than a mile from that a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pictures of trip to Minneapolis

2002-07-10 Thread Victoria Welch
Hi Ryan, On Wed, 2002-07-10 at 21:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I flew my roomates and myself from Dupage airport (DPA) to Crystal airport (MIC) in >an archer-II over the 4th of July weekend. It was a lot of fun and sure beats >driving 7 hours in a car. Anyway here are the pics.. > > >http

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Pictures of trip to Minneapolis

2002-07-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I flew my roomates and myself from Dupage airport (DPA) to Crystal airport (MIC) in >an archer-II over the 4th of July weekend. It was a lot of fun and sure beats >driving 7 hours in a car. Anyway here are the pics.. > > >http://dsl081-150-106.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.n