RE: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross Vivian Meazza wrote: I've just done some proof-of-principle work on drop tanks with YASim. I set up some weight elements for the pylons and for the dry weight of the tanks, and some fuel tanks to match. [...] However, the bad news is that I can't set _one_ of the drop

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott wrote Just to help confuse things a little, j/k are for spoilers, iirc, but as speed-brakes aren't supported in YASim (yet;) I've used the spoiler control. Kludged that one by using an extra, low lift, high drag flap on the horizontal stabiliser in the Hunter. CTRL B

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tuesday 17 February 2004 03:55: One question, why don't we use lower case g key for gear up and for gear down? Why do we also need the upper G key? We had a gear toggle button before, for a very long t ime. And it sucked (IMHO). Toggle buttons do only make sense if you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:57:37 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote in message http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/fgfsDList.jpg I tried to find out what could make this happen, but without any success so far. Does anybody have any idea what might go wrong here? ..too much beer? ;-) No

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tuesday 17 February 2004 03:55: One question, why don't we use lower case g key for gear up and for gear down? Why do we also need the upper G key? Now I can simply press G and there's no doubt that this is supposed to

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Martin Spott wrote Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tuesday 17 February 2004 03:55: One question, why don't we use lower case g key for gear up and for gear down? Why do we also need the upper G key? Now I can simply press G and there's no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading that OpenGL would be optimized on IRIX when using display lists I decided to do some trial runs with FlightGear. Unfortunately the exact same thing that happened to VBO's (odd colors when using VBO's) also happens to DList (at least on my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Ooops I remember seeing these effects with XFree86/DRI during the pre-4.3 development phase then hardware-TL was enabled on a Radeon9100 card. Did your experiment at least serve the goal to increase the frame rate on the O2 ? It looks like it did increase the framerate.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for SimGear/simgear/scene/tgdb Index: leaf.cxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/SimGear/simgear/scene/tgdb/leaf.cxx,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -p -u -r1.2 leaf.cxx [...] Over 10 %

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Christian Brunschen
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Lee Elliott wrote: spoilers are devices designed to reduce lift and also increase drag. they are usually attached to wings. speed brakes are attached to the fuselage and produce drag without affecting lift. airliners have spoilers, fighter jets usually have speed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over 10 % framerate improvement on Linux-2.6.2, XFree86-4.3 plus DRI/Mesa CVS on a Radeon7500 - but strange colours similar to your screenshot, Errrm, probably a simple explanation - just a guess: Ground textures don't get processed (at least partially) -

RE: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Norman Vine
Hmm... DLists use to work... Try the untested patch below Also looking at leaf.cxx there appears that a duplicate statement has snuck in norman $ cvs diff obj.cxx Index: obj.cxx === RCS file:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi All Unfortunately the spoiler/speedbrake system/s seem to be much more complicated than something that can be controlled by one key. The Boeing 7 series A/C,not including the badge engineered 717, use the same panels as speedbrakes and spoilers.They act as spoilers in conjunction with the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Martin Spott
Norman Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ cvs diff obj.cxx Index: obj.cxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/SimGear/simgear/scene/tgdb/obj.cxx,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -r1.7 obj.cxx 446a447 leaf-makeDList();

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Martin Spott
Innis Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the spoiler/speedbrake system/s seem to be much more complicated than something that can be controlled by one key. The Boeing 7 series A/C,not including the badge engineered 717, use the same panels as speedbrakes and spoilers.They act

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Norman Vine wrote: $ cvs diff leaf.cxx Index: leaf.cxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/SimGear/simgear/scene/tgdb/leaf.cxx,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -r1.2 leaf.cxx 227c227 sgSetVec2( tmp2, texcoord[0], texcoord[1] );

RE: [Flightgear-devel] flight path heading

2004-02-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Norman Vine said: I hope that you take into consideration that that is a *very* expensive function to call ! You might want to do a test to see how the its result varies from the solutions that the FDM folks offered that are a direct assignment. Even if you don't use the FDM solution I

RE: [Flightgear-devel] flight path heading

2004-02-17 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson writes: Probably best to do a running average of the FDM value too so as to 'smooth' it a little Hmmm...yeah that is pretty heavy. Actually the geodetic method being used isn't very smooth either. In fact I would guess that since the lon/lat is the direct result of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Andy Ross
Innis Cunningham wrote: Unfortunately the spoiler/speedbrake system/s seem to be much more complicated than something that can be controlled by one key. The Boeing 7 series A/C,not including the badge engineered 717, use the same panels as speedbrakes and spoilers.They act as spoilers in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: Yes, this problem was interesting. I set up 2 weights thus: /yasim/weights/tank-100gal-lbs[0] /yasim/weights/tank-100gal-lbs[1] Are you sure you got the weight definition right in the YASim configuration file? The property definitions look fine, but they're only half the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross Vivian Meazza wrote: Yes, this problem was interesting. I set up 2 weights thus: /yasim/weights/tank-100gal-lbs[0] /yasim/weights/tank-100gal-lbs[1] Are you sure you got the weight definition right in the YASim configuration file? The property definitions look fine,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: I think it should work, and it _looks_ as if it does: certainly when you browse internal properties it looks right, but I can't set the second [1] tank to zero. I'm still fuzzy. Do you mean that you can't set the property to zero at all, or that the property goes to zero

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross Vivian Meazza wrote: I think it should work, and it _looks_ as if it does: certainly when you browse internal properties it looks right, but I can't set the second [1] tank to zero. I'm still fuzzy. Do you mean that you can't set the property to zero at all, or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Lee Elliott
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 15:52, Andy Ross wrote: Innis Cunningham wrote: Unfortunately the spoiler/speedbrake system/s seem to be much more complicated than something that can be controlled by one key. The Boeing 7 series A/C,not including the badge engineered 717, use the same panels

Re: [Flightgear-devel] flight path heading

2004-02-17 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: Since it is likely that the results are the same, and we have the distinct advantage over a real world GPS because we are running an FDM and have the velocities, why don't we just use the arctangent method in the gps code and save a few cycles? Feel free to tinker. In the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Eye candy

2004-02-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: I think it should work, and it _looks_ as if it does: certainly when you browse internal properties it looks right, but I can't set the second [1] tank to zero. I'm still fuzzy. Do you mean that you can't set the property to zero at all,

[Flightgear-devel] YASim config question

2004-02-17 Thread David Megginson
This question is directly mainly at Andy, but others can chime in as well. I've noticed that the performance of the PA-28-161 is slightly sluggish in the climb, and I'm wondering if it has to do with weight. The published performance numbers for this plane (and most others) in the POH assume

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim config question

2004-02-17 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: I've noticed that the performance of the PA-28-161 is slightly sluggish in the climb, and I'm wondering if it has to do with weight. The published performance numbers for this plane (and most others) in the POH assume maximum gross weight. Does the solver assume that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim config question

2004-02-17 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: It wouldn't be hard to get the solver to handle both situations. You could have a fuel-fraction=... attribute in the approach and cruise blocks, and a set-weight index=... wgt-lbs=... sub-tag where you set the weights. Does that sound acceptable? OK, the fuel bit is done. You can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] OpenGL DList issues.

2004-02-17 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:42:31 +0100, Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:57:37 +0100, Erik Hofman wrote in message http://www.a1.nl/~ehofman/fgfs/fgfsDList.jpg I tried to find out what could make this happen,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim config question

2004-02-17 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross wrote: It wouldn't be hard to get the solver to handle both situations. You could have a fuel-fraction=... attribute in the approach and cruise blocks, and a set-weight index=... wgt-lbs=... sub-tag where you set the weights. Does that sound acceptable? I can tune the numbers for a

[Flightgear-devel] CVS problem

2004-02-17 Thread Jon Berndt
I get these messages when trying to update JSBSim from CVS: cvs update: warning: directory CVS specified in argument cvs update: but CVS uses CVS for its own purposes; skipping CVS directory Anyone know what they are? Jon ___ Flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS problem

2004-02-17 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Jon Berndt wrote: I get these messages when trying to update JSBSim from CVS: cvs update: warning: directory CVS specified in argument cvs update: but CVS uses CVS for its own purposes; skipping CVS directory Anyone know what they are? Usually, it happens when someone ( probably you )