Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-14 Thread Ivo
On Friday 14 January 2005 04:14, Jim Wilson wrote: Sort of a little off topic: Something that would be really cool (at least in the US) is to have a registered non-profit that just collected donations (like United Way) and then uses those funds to make grants to individual projects like

[Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dumb question: do we want to investigate the possibility of adding google adds to the FlightGear site? Is this out of bounds, or within bounds for an open-source project. It's a potential revenue generator, but it's unclear if it will generate $0.39 per month or $39.00 per month or $390.00

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Dumb question: do we want to investigate the possibility of adding google adds to the FlightGear site? FWIW, it's fine with me. If the worst thing FlightGear does in this world is make Curt rich, I suspect I'll still be able to sleep at night. :) Seriously, having some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson said: Dumb question: do we want to investigate the possibility of adding google adds to the FlightGear site? Is this out of bounds, or within bounds for an open-source project. It's a potential revenue generator, but it's unclear if it will generate $0.39 per month or

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Arthur Wiebe
One thing that you might want to consider is that the clickthough rate is really low. And is it really worth it. I've been using AdSense for awhile now and the clickthough rate, at least for me is very low on average. An average of 0.5%. That's with about 4000 impressions. On Thu, 13 Jan 2005

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson wrote: It probably is, because high ethical standards are fundamental to the open-source concept. A few general ethical issues along those lines: - more commercial appearance to site. - ads are not particularly effective for advertisers (compared to adwords on the google search engine

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Dave Martin
Having experience of google adwords myself, I'd just like to make an observation: If you have a well designed website (such as flightgear.org) where all information is clearly laid out and you didn't employ any 'tricks' to make someone arrive at your site. ...chances are the 'visitor' has

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Chris Metzler
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:39:07 -0600 Curtis L. Olson wrote: Is this worth looking into, or would it be crossing some sort of open-source ethical line? I don't think it's crossing an ethical line. That doesn't mean we wanna do it, though; just that I don't think *that's* the reason not to. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 22:33, Chris Metzler wrote: One question I have is how binding the agreement would be. Suppose after a couple of weeks of GoogleAds, everyone says this sucks and wants to get rid of them. Could we? Or would we be stuck with having them on the website for 3 months/6

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Martin wrote: Having experience of google adwords myself, I'd just like to make an observation: If you have a well designed website (such as flightgear.org) where all information is clearly laid out and you didn't employ any 'tricks' to make someone arrive at your site. ...chances

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Martin wrote: There is no binding agreement to continue to run the ads for any pre-determined time. There is a binding agreement not to discuss the adwords system / payments (whoops) and all adwords accounts are subject to acceptance based on the content of the site. Yes, we could bail

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Ivo
On Friday 14 January 2005 00:14, Dave Martin wrote: On Thursday 13 Jan 2005 22:45, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Here is a screen shot of about as unobstrusive of an add as I can configure: http://www.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/fgfs-ads.jpg I'd avoid giving them 1st place on a side bar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Oliver C.
On Thursday 13 January 2005 23:45, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Here is a screen shot of about as unobstrusive of an add as I can configure: http://www.flightgear.org/~curt/tmp/fgfs-ads.jpg I don't like the place where this advertisement is set. The size is ok, but it should not be at the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson said: I don't want to get caught up parsing nuances here. Commercial vs. non-commercial is a continuum, but I'm not sure there is any ethics attached to that. To some, nuances matter and to some commerial vs. non-commercial is in fact an ethic issue. Especially when it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Chris Metzler
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:14:50 - Jim Wilson wrote: Sort of a little off topic: Something that would be really cool (at least in the US) is to have a registered non-profit that just collected donations (like United Way) and then uses those funds to make grants to individual projects like

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Google adwords?

2005-01-13 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Ok, I'm done playing around with this for the day and have removed the test adds from our page. The adds we get from google aren't all that exciting or relevent ... it's not like the subject of our site is something interesting like farm tractors. If anyone else has