Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain errors report

2009-01-18 Thread Brian Schack
> "Martin" == Martin Spott writes: Martin> Brian Schack wrote: >> There are several huge and very unnatural walls in the >> Himalayas, both running NS and EW. I'll give the line of >> latitude or longitude that the wall runs along, and the end >> coordinates of the walls:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Curtis Olson
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > Thanks. I do remember seeing the in-cabin movies of the unhappy dummies > that were part of the study. > You know, if NASA did screw up the final test, maybe someone should suggest the mythbusters redo this on their show? I've got the auto

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Thanks. I do remember seeing the in-cabin movies of the unhappy dummies that were part of the study. JB From: Lee Duke [mailto:d...@rainmountainsystems.com] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:54 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching

[Flightgear-devel] CID Movie

2009-01-18 Thread Lee Duke
I think the link I sent to the CID movie was bad. Try this: http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Movie/CID/Medium/EM-0004-01.mpg Here are some photos: http://www1.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/Large/index.html -- This SF.n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Lee Duke
I don't want to take sides in this discussion, I just wanted to share some information about the Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID)--or as it was known at Dryden, Crash In the Desert. The story of what happened depends on who you talk to. I remember that the FAA was not very happy with the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> The above applies to everybody. There are additional requirements > if you want to be certified for extended overwater flight. > > And no, I'm not making that up, either. You you can read for > yourself at e.g. > > http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFar.nsf/FARSBySect > Look

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread John Denker
On 01/18/2009 12:53 PM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: >> Newer aircraft are better at it than older aircraft. And that's >> not a fluke or any kind of "miracle". It's something they design >> for. > > You are simply asserting what aircraft manufacturers are *supposed* > to do. You think I am just ma

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Jon wrote: > > With that said, I'd be careful about claiming "ditchworthiness". > John Denker replied: > It *is* something they design for. It's required by the FARs. In words, sure. In designing for efficiency, revenue, robustness, etc. and "ditchworthiness", I don't believe you can design fo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Failure Management was "airliner ditching miracle ... or not"

2009-01-18 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Heiko Schulz -- Sunday 18 January 2009: > He put his code in the forum, and I think it is worth > enough not only to have a look into than comitting it > into CVS! I'd like Stuart to have a look, as he already has such a script. Maybe ideas of the less sophisticated one can be used in the othe

[Flightgear-devel] mail header test

2009-01-18 Thread Heiko Schulz
Excuse me- just a teststill in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Failure Management was "airliner ditching miracle ... or not"

2009-01-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:06:34 + (GMT), Heiko wrote in message <278702.2899...@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com>: > Hmm... Checked, should work now. > Can anyone confirm that? ..yup. > > > -Stuart > > > > PS: Heiko - could you check your Reply-To header on your > > posts? At the moment, > > eve

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Failure Management was "airliner ditching miracle ... or not"

2009-01-18 Thread Heiko Schulz
Hmm... Checked, should work now. Can anyone confirm that? > -Stuart > > PS: Heiko - could you check your Reply-To header on your > posts? At the moment, > every time I hit reply to one of your fg-dev posts, it > comes up with your email address > rather than the -dev list email address. > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread John Denker
On 01/18/2009 08:28 AM, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > With that said, I'd be careful about claiming "ditchworthiness". It *is* something they design for. It's required by the FARs. Newer aircraft are better at it than older aircraft. And that's not a fluke or any kind of "miracle". It's something t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Failure Management was "airliner ditching miracle ... or not"

2009-01-18 Thread Stuart Buchanan
Heiko Schulz wrote: > Hi, > > A smart man from poland scripted a very nice failure management for use in > 1.9.0 > and CVS. I tested it and it works great. > > He put his code in the forum, and I think it is worth enough not only to have > a > look into than comitting it into CVS! > > Here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> All these crews are lucky, if you want to call it that. > They're lucky because there's a lot of crashworthiness > and even ditchworthiness built into the airframe, and > because the crews train like crazy, far in excess of > the already-strict FAA requirements. Yes, the entire flight crew was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread John Denker
On 01/18/2009 02:22 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: > I still think the passengers where lucky to have such a skilled pilot at > the controls... Not too long ago one of my relatives came up to me and said: Him: I've always thought you were incredibly lucky, and I wondered why. Now I begin to underst

[Flightgear-devel] Failure Management was "airliner ditching miracle ... or not"

2009-01-18 Thread Heiko Schulz
> > As far as I know, FG *is taking* the good direction because > it is free > to adapt to each situation quite easily. Indeed I'm > trying to introduce > some failures in a specific aircraft: > - give the instruments the possibility to give wrong > information > (especially IAS) > - fuel loss

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:00:32 -0800, John wrote in message <49727f30.90...@mminternet.com>: > Curtis Olson wrote: > > >On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 6:00 PM, syd adams > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>So, how about it? Who is serious about going down that > >>road? > >>I am , for one, which is why I dont

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Simgear : Patch for Sun Solaris 10 + Sun

2009-01-18 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Martin Spott a écrit : > "Csaba Hal??sz" wrote: > > >> I have never been near a solaris machine, but sure, post errors and we'll >> see :) >> > > Thanks for your offer, no obligation implicated ;-) > > I put the output of 'make -k' here: > > http://foxtrot.mgras.net/static/SimGear_SunSt

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Sébastien MARQUE
Hi all, I'm not a RL pilot, but I suppose that piloting in real life is hard because most of the time nothing special happens. Then the concentration is hard to maintain to a high level and in case of emergency follow the procedures (aircraft/flying aeras), adapt to the environment (buildings,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FAA Certification based on FG

2009-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
Hi Tom, This sounds exciting, thanks for the explanation (I even think I know a few names behind the job descriptions). It's good to see developers to step up to the daunting task of getting every little last bit right for certification. BTW. I agree on the competitiveness part. Erik ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not

2009-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
John Denker wrote: > Around here it has received around-the-clock news coverage. > The commentators are amazed at how lucky the passengers > were. They all use the same word: It's a miracle. > > I disagree. Any time your airliner loses both engines is > *not* your lucky day. And while a succe