Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

On 24 Oct 2009, at 18:19, Tim Moore wrote: > I'm very inclined to back out the commit in question. It won't > prevent real > ripoff artists -- who wouldn't be violating any license if they > removed the > code themselves -- and it is very much against the hacker ethic to > insert > code tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sixe of cvs data/ tree?

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 16:00 -0700, Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm pulling in the data/ folder from cvs. I note with some concern > that I've only got to aircraft starting with F, and it has already > been 820MB of download. I'm on mobile broadband, and get 5GB total a > month, with a f

[Flightgear-devel] Sixe of cvs data/ tree?

Hi there, I'm pulling in the data/ folder from cvs. I note with some concern that I've only got to aircraft starting with F, and it has already been 820MB of download. I'm on mobile broadband, and get 5GB total a month, with a flat cap - no shaping, just no internet once I've reached 5GB for th

[Flightgear-devel] Little patch to the KT-70

This little patch makes the KT-70 read 888- when in self-test mode. This is the correct behavior, the current behavior, where it reads the flight level and squawk code in self-test is incorrect. Thanks, Ron Index: Instrumentation/kt_70.cxx ===

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

Erik Hofman wrote: > [...] If I were the guy or company we' re talking about I > simply would fork the project from right before this change and then > implement all changes to the code except this one. Well, Durk's 'patch' would have been an excellent probe to check if they are really serious

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

Ron Jensen wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: > >> Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For >> that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are >> located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. >> Wha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

Martin Spott wrote: > Don't get me wrong: I would not state that I really "like" Durk's move > - in fact I personally didn't get to any final conclusion yet. I just > think it's "acceptable" and, to be honest, I find it highly amusing how > people are trying to attack Durk's move whithout having an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

On 10/24/2009 09:29 PM, Nicolas Quijano wrote: > typo in ATCDCL/AIPlane.cxx : at line 198, sizte_t len; should be size_t len; > Cheers, > Nic > Fixed. Thanks, Tim -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry(R) Developer Confere

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40 , 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 ma in.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx , 1.32, 1.33

On Saturday 24 Oct 2009, Nicolas Quijano wrote: [snip...] > Really, really misguided, and it showcases a prevalent > undercurrent with some of our members, who think the GPL means > something else than it really does [...] I think this really sums up the issue here. The GPL isn't there to protec

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

Hi Nic OpenAL SDK builds here, Vivian -Original Message- From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 October 2009 20:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed Build with Fredb's setup, using the OpenAL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

Bertrand Coconnier wrote: > I am not. You are. By claiming that any modification to the program > name makes it an "Invalid version" you are implying that the right to > modify the program name is limited. This is not my claim I'm giving up, apparently it's a hopeless case, Martin.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

Build with Fredb's setup, using the OpenAL Soft provided device on windows vista 64, I get multiple working sound. Of course, no distance attenuation, as you mentioned. Had to def out the the code mentioned in previous mail, because there is another bug in there that prevents building : SGSoundSamp

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

typo in ATCDCL/AIPlane.cxx : at line 198, sizte_t len; should be size_t len; Cheers, Nic On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM, syd adams wrote: > I did a new cvs checkout of flightgear and simgear, and I now have sound > again ... > > Althought a separate problem popped up , trying to compile FG cras

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Sound system committed

I did a new cvs checkout of flightgear and simgear, and I now have sound again ... Althought a separate problem popped up , trying to compile FG crashed until I recompiled simgear with jpeg factory support. -- Come build w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

On 10/24/2009 05:30 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Heiko Schulz > wrote: > > Why has a such a serious project like FGFS no real support from > lawyer in such things like Flight Pro Sim? > > ... > Neither of these options has happe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:32:17 -0400, Nicolas wrote in message <808354800910240732j3a31c2belb37bbcc2a50c8...@mail.gmail.com>: > Erh, he just has to take out said code, and his customers will not be > the wiser, since they won't see the message. > He does read the list after all. > > As Bertrand sa

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2009/10/24 Martin Spott : > Bertrand Coconnier wrote: > > Your problem, since you're the one who distributes this piece of > software. Nope see below. > >> which is obviously an illegal statement since : >> 1. My copy is perfectly compliant with the GPL >> 2. This statement is deliberately mislea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: > Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For > that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are > located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. > What this means: no distance att

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

Hi, > I don't know about Europe, but around here civil > lawyers are not a free government provided entitlement, and > they are really expensive!  (Probably even more expensive > than ball room dancing instructors.)  The same here- I hoped that it would be much easier in the USA. > So our opti

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

Bertrand Coconnier wrote: > Let's say that I make a fork of Flight Gear by creating a new project > "My Flight Simulator" under SourceForge, that I make a mirror copy of > the Flight Gear CVS tree under my project and that the only commit I > do is to change the name of the program. > > Then I re

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Heiko Schulz wrote: > Why has a such a serious project like FGFS no real support from lawyer in > such things like Flight Pro Sim? > I don't know about Europe, but around here civil lawyers are not a free government provided entitlement, and they are really expe

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 15:02 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: > Chris Wilkinson wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), > > and updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran fg after the update I got > > a segfault when fg couldn't find part of t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

... > which is obviously an illegal statement since : > 1. My copy is perfectly compliant with the GPL > 2. This statement is deliberately misleading which is > illegal anyway > in most countries. > > Hence Nicolas' statement. > > Cheers, > Agree! Interesting though all are here in developemen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

Let's say that I make a fork of Flight Gear by creating a new project "My Flight Simulator" under SourceForge, that I make a mirror copy of the Flight Gear CVS tree under my project and that the only commit I do is to change the name of the program. Then I release everything under the GPL. After

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

Nicolas Quijano wrote: > I'm flabbergasted : disregarding the GPL to protect the GPL ? Ah ? Please specify, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main

Erh, he just has to take out said code, and his customers will not be the wiser, since they won't see the message. He does read the list after all. As Bertrand said, it's not going to achieve the desired result, not at all. And it's trying to work around the GPL, by doing something different if yo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40, 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 main.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx, 1.32, 1.33

I'm flabbergasted : disregarding the GPL to protect the GPL ? How novel.. Really, really misguided, and it showcases a prevalent undercurrent with some of our members, who think the GPL means something else than it really does : when something is done that doesn't sit right with their vision of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main

Bertrand Coconnier wrote: > I am bit taken aback by this commit. Is it really where the Flight > Gear community wants to go ? These people at Flight Pro Sim are deliberately trying to decieve the FlightGear devlopment 'crew' (just think of their ridiculous attempt of calming the waves by offering

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

Thanks George, I realized that I didn't have Effects or Shaders in my data folder, so I grabbed those from cvs - the terrain is no longer grey so thats fixed, but still it runs dead slow and segfaults after a minute or 2. I'll try fixing it tomorrow as its well past sleep time in eastern Austral

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

Hi there, Perhaps I was a few minutes early grabbing the source. :-) I've now grabbed the Shaders and Effects from cvs, so the grey terrain is fixed, but the performance is still slideshow like (this laptop can do an OK job of Crysis, fg should not present that much of a challenge), and I now g

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

2009/10/24 Mathias Fröhlich > > Hi, > > On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs wrote: > > http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png > > Is this terrain somewhere near sea level in altitude or is that much > higher? > > The question means: > Is terrain loaded so that you roll in ef

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

I'm sure It doesn't have to do with the camera- it is indeed a complete tile that was missing ( always the next tile, but it was there on the starting airport), and this happened with fred's binary as well ( using later than OSG 2.7.6) It happened on every tile - mountain as near the sea as wel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

2009/10/24 Chris Wilkinson : > Hi there, > > I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), and > updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran > fg after the update I got a segfault when fg couldn't find part of the ac3d > model of the 777-300ER, so I tried another > jet (7

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

> Hi, > > > On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs > wrote: > > > > http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png > > We have likely dealt with this problem before. Try > updating OSG. > > http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Howto:_Get_rid_of_common_errors# > Near_camera_not_rende

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

Chris Wilkinson wrote: > Hi there, > > I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), > and updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran fg after the update I got > a segfault when fg couldn't find part of the ac3d model of the > 777-300ER, so I tried another jet (787). T

[Flightgear-devel] Issues with latest cvs

Hi there, I've downloaded and built fresh cvs copies of fg and sg tonite (Oct 24), and updated my osg to v2.95. When I first ran fg after the update I got a segfault when fg couldn't find part of the ac3d model of the 777-300ER, so I tried another jet (787). This time fg ran, but the terrain wa

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 13:01 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: > Alasdair Campbell wrote: > > After cvs update (SG,FG,data): > > > > alasd...@executrix:~$ fgfs > > Error reading properties: > > not well-formed > > at /opt/FlightGear/FlightGear_cvs/data/preferences.xml, > > line 56, column 2 > > That sho

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40, 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 main.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx, 1.32, 1.33

Bertrand Coconnier wrote: > Hi all, > > I am bit taken aback by this commit. Is it really where the Flight > Gear community wants to go ? > > As far as I understand the GPL, it is legal to rename an application > as long as the renamed application is still under GPL. So what is this > commit inte

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

Alasdair Campbell wrote: > After cvs update (SG,FG,data): > > alasd...@executrix:~$ fgfs > Error reading properties: > not well-formed > at /opt/FlightGear/FlightGear_cvs/data/preferences.xml, > line 56, column 2 That should be fixed by now. Erik --

[Flightgear-devel] Fwd: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Main bootstrap.cxx, 1.40, 1.41 fg_init.cxx, 1.239, 1.240 main.cxx, 1.301, 1.302 splash.cxx, 1.32, 1.33

Hi all, I am bit taken aback by this commit. Is it really where the Flight Gear community wants to go ? As far as I understand the GPL, it is legal to rename an application as long as the renamed application is still under GPL. So what is this commit intended for ? Furthermore, do you honestly th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

Scott Hamilton wrote: > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: > > >I did a cvs update on simgear and flightgear, and I now have engine > sounds, click sounds, flap transit sounds, >everything is back again... Looks like we're starting to get somewhere now. Thanks for tes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: I did a cvs update on simgear and flightgear, and I now have engine sounds, click sounds, flap transit sounds, everything is back again... S. > Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For > that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 10:39 +0200, Erik Hofman wrote: > Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For > that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are > located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. > What this means: no distance att

Re: [Flightgear-devel] least squares code

Hi Curt, On Saturday 17 October 2009 19:47:06 Curtis Olson wrote: > I will be receiving a sequence of 2d data points in "real time". I will > start by assuming a linear relationship/fit which I know in advance is a > reasonable assumption. I would like to find a way to incrementally compute > a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

Erik Hofman wrote: > I was hoping this could lead to (for example) a NaN problem but ... I > discovered this triggered the same bug for me that others have for the F-16. That was spoken too soon, the sound file couldn't be read which is why there was no sound :-/ Eirk -

[Flightgear-devel] Sound System debugging

Ok, I've reserved the next two days to try to pin-point the problem. For that I've taken drastic measures now; All sounds and the listener are located at 0,0,0 and all orientations are omni-directional. What this means: no distance attenuation, no relative position to the listener but only sour

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

Hi, > On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs wrote: > > http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png We have likely dealt with this problem before. Try updating OSG. http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Howto:_Get_rid_of_common_errors# Near_camera_not_rendering Cheers, Gijs

Re: [Flightgear-devel] BUG Landscape disappear

Hi, On Monday 19 October 2009 11:04:42 Martin Laabs wrote: > http://www.martinlaabs.de/tmp/fgfs-screen-001.png Is this terrain somewhere near sea level in altitude or is that much higher? The question means: Is terrain loaded so that you roll in effect on that terrain and that terrain is just