Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-06 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
Dear George, > >> stance within one's national culture and doesn't free oneself from it. > Its > > > >What do you mean by that ? Isnt this naiv ? That one must "free" himself > >from something ? > > > Well if something is influencing you in a way that is detrimental to your > freedom and autonomy

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-05 Thread George Free
>> stance within one's national culture and doesn't free oneself from it. Its > >What do you mean by that ? Isnt this naiv ? That one must "free" himself >from something ? > Well if something is influencing you in a way that is detrimental to your freedom and autonomy, you will probably want

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-05 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
> stance within one's national culture and doesn't free oneself from it. Its What do you mean by that ? Isnt this naiv ? That one must "free" himself from something ? H.

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-05 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
> Nationalist art has a lousy track record, both as art and as politics. Wouldnt know a single "nationalistic" art piece. Just art, maybe, in praise of something or art that was bought be the state etc.. > The notion of the international, from the ground up, has had a much > better run. Well. I

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-05 Thread narvis & ...pez
At 10:57 am -0700 4/7/00, Devon Paulson wrote: >Does it mean that he or she should do what the government tells him? Of >course not. It's not selling out, or going corporate, bending to the man or >kissing Uncle Sam's ass, it is simply a way that that particular artist >wants to express his or he

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread Terrence J Kosick
Terrence writes; Art should reflect nationalism. Especially views that don't necesarilly relflect those of the government. What does the government really know about it? It is the voice of the people that is the true voice of nationalism; not necesarilly the voices that yell the loudest or the vo

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread Patricia
Certainly, the ideology of nationalism has changed since 1918-1920, when countries were at war, France and Germany, a problem for the coming together. and subsequent falling apart, of the Dadaists. And, of course, the worst form of nationalism was the suppression of art by the Third Reich. But,

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread ann klefstad
CHAMPOY wrote: .THAT ART should be nATIONALISTIC...it would really help me > to hear what you have to say especially most of you > who come from different NATIONALITIES? > Nations and races tend to be tyrannical when they are interested in purity, in Themselves. This holds true no matter what

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread George Free
>i have some of my own views but i would very much like >to hear any of your reactions about this idea..THAT >ART should be nATIONALISTIC...it would really help me >to hear what you have to say especially most of you >who come from different NATIONALITIES? > One thing to consider is that art is

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread Devon Paulson
>i have some of my own views but i would very much like >to hear any of your reactions about this idea..THAT >ART should be nATIONALISTIC...it would really help me >to hear what you have to say especially most of you >who come from different NATIONALITIES? > If one's art reflects nationalism is

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread Devon Paulson
I always thought it was about Taquilla and gunpowder, a fantastic combination by the way- garenteed to produce hours of fun (and pain the next few days). disco > >I always thought July 4th was about celebrating beer and gunpowder. > >n a message dated 07/04/2000 10:14:00 AM Eastern Daylight

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread Sol Nte
Hi BP, I was replying to Champoy's statement, so when you wrote: >Are you really talking about NATIONALISM, which to me is a kind of defense, or at least support, of the "flag" and all it stands for -- OR, are you talking about a kind of regionalism, which is more about regional culture and hist

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread BestPoet
I always thought July 4th was about celebrating beer and gunpowder. n a message dated 07/04/2000 10:14:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << However... Celebrating July 4th -- small fireworks http://www.nutscape.com/july4th/ (Posted to Fluxlist last year on this day)

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread BestPoet
Are you really talking about NATIONALISM, which to me is a kind of defense, or at least support, of the "flag" and all it stands for -- OR, are you talking about a kind of regionalism, which is more about regional culture and history than politics? In a message dated 07/04/2000 9:57:08 AM Eas

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread allen bukoff
Should art be a vehicle of nationalism? If it's a yes/no question, then my answer would be "no." However... Celebrating July 4th -- small fireworks http://www.nutscape.com/july4th/ (Posted to Fluxlist last year on this day) Most/much/many of the fireworks used by individuals in the United Stat

Re: FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread Sol Nte
Hi champoy and all, you wrote: >or in another words they are saying that art should reflect NATIONALISM... i have some of my own views but i would very much like to hear any of your reactions about this idea..THAT ART should be nATIONALISTIC...it would really help me to hear what you hav

FLUXLIST: NATIONALISTIC????

2000-07-04 Thread CHAMPOY
all fluxlist friends there is gonna be an art d iscussion that is gonna be held in our city on the 1 9th of julysomeone ( an anthropologist) is gonna discuss about the present art scene in cebu city and they are trying to promote this idea that artists must try to represent more of