Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-24 Thread George Free
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, ann klefstad wrote: > Isn't the notion of bodily presence I invoke below something that any of the >philosophers > of the linguistic turn would describe as essentialist, positivist, naive? Possibly, but its worth considering too that, within the French context, the critiqu

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-24 Thread ann klefstad
I'm being lazy and just hitting the reply button here, having just a little dab to add. Isn't the notion of bodily presence I invoke below something that any of the philosophers of the linguistic turn would describe as essentialist, positivist, naive? Derrida's critique of logocentrism, after all

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-23 Thread George Free
I'm not sure if this got to the list. My apologies if it appears twice. On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Owen Smith wrote: - the > concept of difference is a potential model for looking at how > intermedia functions as a kind of "not-media," or how the spaces > between media types that intermedia exists in

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-23 Thread George Free
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, ann klefstad wrote: > To me the subtext that produces D's > discourse has to do with the post-Holocaust perception of the faithlessness of the > body. A rhetoric was needed that both subverted and transcended physicality. > Language filled the bill, became the human in lieu o

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-22 Thread ann klefstad
On George's and Owen's exchange: I'd agree w/ George that "play" for Derrida isn't at all the same as "play" in the sense that Flux or Amer. a-g would have used it. D's play is more like, say, the "play" in a steering linkage or the "play" in a hinge. Some what you might call wiggle. And yeah,

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-21 Thread Owen Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes: >Aren't all art works materially intermedial? Even paint has to go onto a >surface and that surface isn't paint but another medium. Sol - Not really - your example uses two materials but both are within the same medium, so it is still a traditional single medi

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-21 Thread Owen Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes: >Personally, you'd have to convince me, Owen, that the notions of >intermedia and >Derrida's difference are fruitfully related. George - you raise a good point here (also that Dick was at the very least suspicious of Derrida) and I am not sure that I can convi

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-21 Thread Josh Ronsen
Sol Nte quotes Thomas Crow: >"The performance need never take place for the piece to exist, though it is >crucial that its enactment in time and space be realizable and >epeatable( this is enough to distinguish such work from poetry)." This is not an essential element of a Fluxus event/performan

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-20 Thread George Free
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Owen Smith wrote: > Intermedial activity, such as many > Fluxus type works, does not signify a new combination of pre-existing > categories of approaches or media, but rather it is a more general and > crucial questioning of knowledge and experience as either discrete or > qua

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-20 Thread Sol Nte
Owen wrote: >For one of the most radical acts of Fluxus is to see all works as literary, musical , visual, and performative rather than just one form or another.< I wonder if some of this was originally accidental due to the backgrounds of Fluxus artists..Fluxus artists are probably the firs

Re: FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-16 Thread Devon Paulson
How about this one: Devon Paulson - Gallery Construction, 2000 Create a small construction of objects as to form a small sculpture. Go to a Gallery (Museum may be supplimented) and leave it inside with the other art. >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Alison Knowles - Giveaway Construction, 1963 >

FLUXLIST: thoughts on fluxus part 2

2000-09-15 Thread Owen Smith
Thoughts on Fluxus part 2 (of 3) In a general sense all Fluxus activities seek to question meaning and significance as fixed, pre-determined, or even determinable through the functioning of what has been described as "higher social contracts," that is social situations as a manifestation of powe