Re: [fonc] Linus Chews Up Kernel Maintainer For Introducing Userspace Bug - Slashdot

2013-01-01 Thread BGB
On 12/31/2012 10:47 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: On 12/31/12 8:30 PM, Paul D. Fernhout wrote: So, I guess another meta-level bug in the Linux Kernel is that it is written in C, which does not support certain complexity management features, and there is no clear upgrade path from that because

[fonc] Current topics

2013-01-01 Thread Alan Kay
The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose pernicious snares need to be handled better. In an analogy to sending messages most of the time successfully through noisy channels -- where the noise also affects whatever we add to the messages to help (and we may have

Re: [fonc] Incentives and Metrics for Infrastructure vs. Functionality

2013-01-01 Thread Loup Vaillant-David
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 04:36:09PM -0700, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: On 12/31/12 2:58 PM, Paul D. Fernhout wrote: 2. The programmer has a belief or preference that the code is easier to work with if it isn't abstracted. […] I have evidence for this poisonous belief. Here is some production C++

Re: [fonc] Incentives and Metrics for Infrastructure vs. Functionality

2013-01-01 Thread BGB
On 1/1/2013 2:12 PM, Loup Vaillant-David wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 04:36:09PM -0700, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: On 12/31/12 2:58 PM, Paul D. Fernhout wrote: 2. The programmer has a belief or preference that the code is easier to work with if it isn't abstracted. […] I have evidence for this

Re: [fonc] Incentives and Metrics for Infrastructure vs. Functionality

2013-01-01 Thread Loup Vaillant-David
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 03:02:09PM -0600, BGB wrote: On 1/1/2013 2:12 PM, Loup Vaillant-David wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 04:36:09PM -0700, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: On 12/31/12 2:58 PM, Paul D. Fernhout wrote: 2. The programmer has a belief or preference that the code is easier to work

Re: [fonc] Incentives and Metrics for Infrastructure vs. Functionality

2013-01-01 Thread Ondřej Bílka
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 09:12:07PM +0100, Loup Vaillant-David wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 04:36:09PM -0700, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: On 12/31/12 2:58 PM, Paul D. Fernhout wrote: 2. The programmer has a belief or preference that the code is easier to work with if it isn't abstracted. […]

[fonc] SubScript website gone live: programming with Process Algebra

2013-01-01 Thread Andre van Delft
Please allow me to to blurb the following, which is related to several discussions at FONC: Our web site http://subscript-lang.org went officially live last Saturday. SubScript is a way to extend common programming languages, aimed to ease event handling and concurrency. Typical application

[fonc] Wrapping object references in NaN IEEE floats for performance (was Re: Linus...)

2013-01-01 Thread Paul D. Fernhout
On 1/1/13 3:43 AM, BGB wrote: here is mostly that this still allows for type-tags in the references, but would likely involve a partial switch to the use of 64-bit tagged references within some core parts of the VM (as a partial switch away from magic pointers). I am currently leaning towards

Re: [fonc] Incentives and Metrics for Infrastructure vs. Functionality (eye tracking)

2013-01-01 Thread Paul D. Fernhout
On 1/1/13 4:29 PM, Loup Vaillant-David wrote: On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 03:02:09PM -0600, BGB wrote: it is a question maybe of whether the programmer sees the forest or the trees. these sorts of things may well have an impact on the types of code a person writes, and what sorts of things the

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-01 Thread Paul Homer
My thinking has been going the other way for some time now. I see the problem as the need to build bigger systems than any individual can currently imagine. The real value from computers isn#39;t just collecting the input from a single person, but rather #39;combining#39; the inputs from huge

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-01 Thread Casey Ransberger
Read this guy! On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose pernicious snares need to be handled better. In an analogy to sending messages most of the time successfully through noisy channels --

Re: [fonc] Wrapping object references in NaN IEEE floats for performance (was Re: Linus...)

2013-01-01 Thread BGB
On 1/1/2013 6:36 PM, Paul D. Fernhout wrote: On 1/1/13 3:43 AM, BGB wrote: here is mostly that this still allows for type-tags in the references, but would likely involve a partial switch to the use of 64-bit tagged references within some core parts of the VM (as a partial switch away from

Re: [fonc] Current topics

2013-01-01 Thread Casey Ransberger
Inline. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: The most recent discussions get at a number of important issues whose pernicious snares need to be handled better. In an analogy to sending messages most of the time successfully through noisy channels -- where the